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I have not mentioned names or jobs, though I know them, and know exactly how to get those individuals with their universities involved. They are not sleeping well, I can guarantee you that. Their VCs are already involved, that's all I can say right now, let's just say there will be more stories coming out very soon. Good times.

If this discussion is not going to be a discussion of the science, then it should be promptly closed as a discussion. I'm sure those 50 days to save the world have already passed and the world is fine thank you. What do you do when your scare has passed?

Right, we're taking this outside I'm very serious about this scientific incident because we need to realise there are a large amount of hoaxers and fraudsters trying to fleece us. Science requires people to assess the quality of the research and I am distraught that the likes of M*&^ and J^%$£ and Cho)(*&^%$ have trashed the scientific process. I am completely in favour of science. I am not in favour of the trashing of science and hiding data and methods.

I have listened to you, but am still sure that oil is a distraction to this discussion. Global cooling looks to have started, and we are seeing whether it continues. Global warming, well as for that, I can't think of a single sensible person who thinks we're going to notice any of that for a decade or two.

You'd better hide that decline.

No, we don't have a quick decrease in global temperatures yet. It could mean that GHG effects are large and solar minimum effects are also large. It could mean they are both small. It could mean climate is on a random walk. Do we really know? No. So let's not trash our economies.

It's nice Old Snowy to meet someone who has researched the history of Pacific islands properly

That is why I avoid discussions of oil, thanks for agreeing with me that such discussions are irrelevant. The science is all I am interested in, and it seems most people agree with me. The global cooling that continues is something we need to discuss, and approach in a scientific manner.

The Himalayan Glaciers are an interesting one. Basically if they start to melt, it's dangerous because there will be no water for the Indians to bathe in. So they mustn't melt. And then the Indians will be able to bathe forevermore, of course.

There is of course no evidence for this. Computer models are unfortunately missing about 97% of climate variability. Until we can explain the weather, we can't explain why climate changes. If there is a theory that winter storms have worsened, then all that is needed is an empirical study assessing wind speed, depth of pressure, etc - you know, the usual things people do when doing a proper statistical study; rather than the way climate scientists go about things with a pre-determined conclusion in mind. I'd happily take part.

I'm here to discuss the vagaries of climate science. What are you here for?

I'd therefore like to see evidence from the meteorological or climatological authorities that they can do better than the toss of a coin. So far the evidence is nil. In fact, it's worse than that.

Yes there is not yet a significant decline. But the incline is certainly not there. This falsifies the alarmist climate models. I completely agree that SSTs are more important than air temperatures. You should seek out the thoughts of Stephen Wilde who can discuss the thermodynamics of oceanic-atmospheric interaction better than I can, and who has ascertained that the oceans and certainly not the air have determined the ice extent of the Arctic in recent years.

Sounds to me like these "scientists" didn't have a clue so needed to pin the change on something, which given the fashionable XFactor-ish desire for any old excuse decided to go for climate change. The XFactor Sheep. Suppose it's nothing to do with dominance among the male sheep who wanted smaller female sheep. Never mind investigating anything at all, it just has to be climate change because the scientists concerned can't be arsed getting out of their office in London to do some proper science.

Tuvalu will always be near sea level due to the nature of its bedrock. Same withthe Ganges delta. The delta will always flood every now and then, but then miraculously redeem itself and new settlements will appear, because lo and behold living in fertile areas and flood plains are fertile areas. Nothing to see here, please AGWers avert your gaze and stop rubbernecking, it's what has always happened.