Winter Frost

You keep saying the meridian but do you mean 20 degrees west (on gfs) or Greenwich? I think if you mean Greenwich then it really won't impact us.

7c drizzle. Its been raining constantly.

I don't know what the people are moaning about the American cold pool for, it is going to bring colder weather for me at least than what an easterly would bring. The 510 dam line actually makes it out past 50 west, eventually cold will reach here that will provide snow. The cold pool keeps getting upgraded with each run.

Thats not entirely true. We had two snowfalls here and there was as much as 8 inches of snow at 200m around January/February time. Cold zonality can be good here. I am expecting some snow from it soon.

It doesn't look too cold to me with double figure maximums. Thats mild.

Neither could I. I would have a disaster attack, it was awful just constant rain rain and you were lucky if you got wet snow..

Yes thats true but they have gotten their fair share of well below average winters recently and the pv constantly dropping in there. Our winters really are over once we see cold there.

I think it will be similar too and I don't buy a cold December like Tamara said. Also I do though think that it will be cold for a short while and colder than last year. Personally don't get steves view because to me it didn't really matter as the easterly was warm.

Is it not just the same old nonsense every year though? I've yet to see those charts show below average temps.

Why is there an inversion in Denmark but not here?

It lied at 1500 feet. I think it might differ for NI versus England.. Our cold and snow comes from the NW not the East. I am nearly sure its easier to get snow at christmas than easter since its coldest in December here. I can totally see where you are coming from but I think the people on the model thread need to be more broad in their discussion instead of only thinking of se england where the climate is quite a bit different. It definitely snows in November here. Bar last year most years have had first snow falling in November. Our NW position helps

Why do people on this forum and other forums continue to insist that its too early for snow in November? It snowed in Northern Ireland last week to 1,000 feet its definitely not rare. Can't understand this phenomenon.

I don't care what they say. They do not make the weather they forecast...

-1 Frosty

Just under 2 and foggy

Well its better than last year but can't understand the fuss. Cold is going into Russia area.

Quite a cool day. It was 2c this morn I think it hasn't gotten above 5. 4.5c sunny

Why? What difference does it make? If its going to be cold in November, its going to be cold. Yes I realise the sea might be a bit warmer but if the cold comes from the arctic or Scandinavia, it really will not matter.

Ok so the 12z is better in that the the Polar vortex is aligned differently but now we have the problem of the cold air being pushed north. I think we should wait a few days for this to be resolved.. Can't seem to make its mind up.

Well I don't mind if its cold November, December, January and mild February. Folk go on about the snow being too early but at 9 hours of daylight does it really matter? Daylight increases alot in February. Lets see what 12z shows yes.

Yes but between each run the direction of the cold air seems to change.

Steve I think what you say about the vortex alignment is happening on the 6z as cold is stuck up at Norway. Nothing to worry about then?

My suspicions were correct. The 6z is a disaster.

Maine is to get ANOTHER snow storm this week.

7c. Hopefully yesterday was the last double digit maximum.