Very interesting read Paul, thanks. Looks like his colours being firmly nailed to the mast there. Fair play to him for sticking his neck out and painting a fairly confidently clear picture of how things will pan out at this range with very little vagueness! Of course the proof is in the pudding and we will soon be able to follow and see how this pans out with Xmas day charts soon appearing on the GFS....i for one will be watching avidly. Paul, is'nt pattern matching slightly dubious game to play when considering many other influencing external factors (teleconnections, solar cycles etc) would need to factored in. Unless, like he seems to be suggesting, that EVERYTHING moves in a rhythmic cycle! Definitely one to watch. PS BFTP where can i find yours and RJS winter forecast please