You aren't wrong, I thought it was moving off, just had another CG with thunder 2 secs later I was going to get the power tools out, will give it a miss, the dog is very calm considering the rattling the house has had more thunder, rain intensifying again, this is flood material and I live 50 ft from a river aplogies for duplicate posts, cable broadband mustn't like the storm. p.s. loads of sirens out there now on main road south from town