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  • Location: bingley,west yorks. 100 asl
  • Location: bingley,west yorks. 100 asl
Posted

Well ,with mainly the telecons not favouring cold I'm struggling to see where any change can come from for the remaining of winter.

Vile PV setting up at its home. Iberian heights forecast to become stronger.

I've had two dumps of snow but feel for those who haven't.

Definitely write Jan off and begining of Feb for me.

In not interested in cold in march personally.

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Posted
  • Location: Hampshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm-by-day sunny thundery summers , short cold snowy winters.
  • Location: Hampshire
Posted (edited)

 raz.org.rain Indeed, now it's poor springs, poor summers, poor autumns and poor winters! 😉

2023 and 2024 both entirely lacked a meteorological season I would class as "good". Last season I would class as "good" overall was summer 2022. Before that spring 2022, and before that spring 2020 (meteorologically I would hasten to add) - and that's your lot for the 2020s. It's really been a pretty terrible decade so far for weather with just three seasons out of 15 so far that I would class as "good".

The emerging character of the 2020s is definitely dull and wet with temps varying little across the whole year; most days seem to be somewhere between 10 and 19 whatever the season (though we've got lucky these past three weeks). By far the most bland decade that I can remember in its entirety (the first decade I remember fully was the 80s). I just hope 2020s conditions are not going to be our new norm under AGW.

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Posted
  • Location: Hampshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm-by-day sunny thundery summers , short cold snowy winters.
  • Location: Hampshire
Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, TheOgre said:

 Summer8906 I’ve heard this expression and January and February were associated with coldest days in my childhood even though December 2010 happened (born in 2001). I used to associate February with dry and cold weather with a snow event. This was true for 2009, 2012 and 2013 especially. Mild and wet Februaries in the 2010s were only seen in 2011 and 2014.

This was even more the case in the 80s. Every December from 1982 to 1989 was mild (and most were wet) while January was often cold or average (1982, 1985, 1986, 1987) and February very frequently cold (1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987) or dry and benign (1982, 1988).

Late winter has definitely changed its character, and not in a good way. Nowadays rather than hoping for snow and enjoying the days getting longer, it's a time to bunker down, grit your teeth and endure the dark, dull, wet, mild, humid days hoping that spring, at least, will be decent. These days February is basically an autumn month, meteorologically - which sounds odd but the synoptics, the temperature, and the high DP/high humidity typical of 2020s Februaries are very like those typical of mid-to-late autumn (late Oct and early Nov in particular) . The light levels also resemble mid-to-late autumn too.

Certainly seems later this week that we are coming out of winter and reversing backwards into autumn again! Time to get those Halloween decorations out.... 😉

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Posted
  • Location: Hampshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm-by-day sunny thundery summers , short cold snowy winters.
  • Location: Hampshire
Posted

 SunSean To be fair January usually is dull. It's the lack of sunshine in the March to September period which has been very characteristic of 2021, 2023 and 2024 - I just hope this year offers something different.

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Posted
  • Location: Devon
  • Weather Preferences: Storms, Wind, Sunny, Warm, Thunderstorms, Snow
  • Location: Devon
Posted

 SunSean it seems that way, it’s getting very tedious, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again it’s not rain southern portions of the uk have, it’s cloud amounts at times. We have to catch a break at some point 

sorry for my typos in my post, I was typing it quickly before starting my shift

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Posted
  • Location: North London
  • Location: North London
Posted

Fingers crossed the cold is over for this winter. Today looks decent enough with a bit of sunshine too. Not looking forward to windy and rainy Friday though...

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Posted
  • Location: Hampshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm-by-day sunny thundery summers , short cold snowy winters.
  • Location: Hampshire
Posted (edited)

Back to the here and now, after a less cold Monday today feels properly cold again. Rather cloudy but not excessively dull.

Interestingly the cold weather has thus persisted for later than 1985, when it broke on the 20th/21st. Of course this month will end up nothing like as cold as 1985, as it's been mostly merely cold-ish until now, with the odd very mild day. 1985 was very cold to extremely cold for the first 20 days, with no mild at all.

 

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Posted
  • Location: Cold Rain City, Essex
  • Location: Cold Rain City, Essex
Posted

Last couple of weeks of winter now in this part of the world. Then attention turns to spring, as the days get longer and the sun gets higher in the sky. 

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  • Location: Hampshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm-by-day sunny thundery summers , short cold snowy winters.
  • Location: Hampshire
Posted (edited)

 SunnyG Not so sure as mild almost always equals wet until about mid-Feb, so arguably if you want the dry to continue (or return), it's best to hope for the cold to return...

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Posted
  • Location: Hampshire
  • Weather Preferences: Warm-by-day sunny thundery summers , short cold snowy winters.
  • Location: Hampshire
Posted (edited)

What is causing the sudden arrival of this extremely unsettled weather without any transition period?

Thinking about historical strong storms up to around 5 years ago, the overwhelming majority arrived at least a week into an unsettled period.

For example, just thinking of the most notorious storms since 1987:

The 1987 storm arrived following around 10 days of preceding very wet weather.

The 1990 Burns storm was preceded by around 24 days of rampant zonality (albeit often dry in the south), that particular spell arriving on New Year's Day.

The 1997 and 1998 storms around Boxing Day were less deep into their respective spells, but nonetheless the weather had been fairly disturbed for around a week previously.

The late October 2000 storm was within an extremely wet spell which had begun in mid-September.

The late October 2002 storm was just over two weeks into a very wet spell.

The 2007 "Kyrill" storm was around three weeks into a very unsettled spell.

The 2013 St Jude storm was around or a little under two weeks into a very wet spell.
The most extreme storms of winter 13/14 took place well after the wet winter got going on Dec 13th. The most extreme stormy period was early Feb.

More recently, storms Ciara, Dennis and Eunice all had at least two weeks of wet weather preceding them.

To go from such a lengthy quiet and blocked spell (which essentially started around Christmas Eve, with only short interruptions) to a storm possibly comparable with some of the above seems odd. Unsettled spells normally take some time to get going as the blocking pattern has to shift first. If the Atlantic is so prone to spawning huge storms right now, why have none been spawned the past few days or so giving us a "battleground" leading up to the stormy spell?

A sudden change from very quiet to extremely stormy with nothing in between seems historically unprecedented. I literally can't think of anything like it, other than isolated storms like Bert which come and go and the weather immediately settles down again.

The summer equivalent would be something like going from a prolonged heatwave overnight into at least 7-10 days of extremely wet, cool and dull weather. Again, rarely happens just like that - normally a summer breakdown is followed by dull and only slightly damp weather before the deluges arrive.

And the opposite would be an overnight cessation of a month like February 2020 followed by an instant change to sunny anticyclonic weather. Didn't happen like that in 2020, of course, the first half of March being still fairly changeable and damp albeit nothing extreme.

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Posted
  • Location: Cheshire
  • Weather Preferences: BWh
  • Location: Cheshire
Posted
6 hours ago, Summer8906 said:

2023 and 2024 both entirely lacked a meteorological season I would class as "good". Last season I would class as "good" overall was summer 2022. Before that spring 2022, and before that spring 2020 (meteorologically I would hasten to add) - and that's your lot for the 2020s. It's really been a pretty terrible decade so far for weather with just three seasons out of 15 so far that I would class as "good".

I look at it this way: now we're overdue for a good spring and a good summer.

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Posted
  • Location: Guildford, Surrey
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, dry & sunny
  • Location: Guildford, Surrey
Posted

Late Jan into Feb used to feel like the peak of the winter cold, but now February feels more springlike IMO.. at least here in the SE.

 

So with no cold forecast out to the beginning of Feb and with significantly cold weather becoming more difficult to achieve, I'm very much looking forward to some spring warmth! 😎

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Posted
  • Location: Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
  • Weather Preferences: Sunshine and 15-25c
  • Location: Edmonton Alberta(via Chelmsford, Exeter & Calgary)
Posted

nice sunny morning here and temps have rebounded to -1c after being -30c yesterday morning. 

Posted
  • Location: Southend
  • Weather Preferences: Clear blue skies!
  • Location: Southend
Posted

Oh my word, we had around 1 hour of sunshine today, what a monumental time to be alive!!!!! 

I'm sure those saucy zero sunshine days will return from tomorrow though and begin a new delicious dull spree 👌

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Posted
  • Location: Coventry, 95m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Snow Nov - Feb. Thunderstorms, 20-29°C and sun any time!
  • Location: Coventry, 95m asl
Posted (edited)
On 18/01/2025 at 15:31, dryfie said:

Whilst researching I came across a period when the temperature at Gloucester (Eastern Avenue) fell for 53 consecutive hours, day and night, as a cold easterly slowly but steadily took hold.   I wonder if there are any official records of such instances?

Asked someone at the Met Office and so far he found these. These contain some periods of static temperatures rather than continous change though:

 

Rising temperatures:

90 hours in Abingdon, Oxfordshire. From 24/11/1958 21:00 to the 28/11/1958 15:00.  (This case was due to an overhead anticyclone, airmass slowly getting colder meaning inversion mixing out and weakening)

85 hours on Cairngorm Summit. -5.2°C to -0.2°C from 17/02/2014 08:00 to the 20/02/2014 21:00.  (Due to 2 low pressure systems slowly but continously both introducing milder air)

 

Falling temperatures:

69 hours in South Farnborough, Hampshire. 10.6°C to 3.9°C from the 12/11/1957 12:00 to the 15/11/1957 09:00.  (Due to high pressure centered just north east of the UK, gradually bringing cooler air from the continent).

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Posted
  • Location: Winchester, Hampshire ~ Southern Central!
  • Location: Winchester, Hampshire ~ Southern Central!
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 SunSean Lucky buga!

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Posted
  • Location: Norwich
  • Weather Preferences: Summer: sunny and 20-25C. Winter: crisp and sunny or snowy
  • Location: Norwich
Posted

We had some partial breaks in the cloud here today, and those scraps of sunshine were enough to make me think that things were starting to look 'less wintry'. Not quite springlike, but enough to make it clear that we're moving out of the darkest time of year! I suppose the summer equivalent would be late July.

 Stabilo19 I also think of peak winter as being late January and early February. By mid-Feb I'm on the lookout for Spring!

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Posted
  • Location: Lockerbie
  • Location: Lockerbie
Posted

 MetwatcThanks so much for making the effort to source this info.  I was reluctant to list my Gloucester example as it seems so extreme, but apparently not.  Thanks again.

 

Posted
  • Location: Great Torrington
  • Location: Great Torrington
Posted

same old story.. USA goes into the freezer, so mild, wet and windy arrives in the Uk, to replace the faux cold

Strong jet streak, injecting power into the lows

Temp snow on friday only over the mountains of Scotland

Only saw a little sun during the "quiet" spell, mostly the grey blanket of cloud, but now something wet will fall from it

Because of the wind, it won't feel much warmer

The Uk is the toilet of the world when it comes to the weather

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Posted
  • Location: Huntingdonshire 10 m amsl
  • Location: Huntingdonshire 10 m amsl
Posted

That's weird, looks like there's no model output at the moment 🙄   

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Posted
  • Location: Wildwood, Stafford 104m asl
  • Weather Preferences: obviously snow!
  • Location: Wildwood, Stafford 104m asl
Posted

getting frustrating now, just not getting lighter on a morning, feel it will be mid April before it's light, due to Spring forward or it would be earlier

Posted
  • Location: Cold Rain City, Essex
  • Location: Cold Rain City, Essex
Posted

 Meanwhile in north Florida lol. 🤣

Pensacola is on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico. 😭

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Posted
  • Location: Guildford, Surrey
  • Weather Preferences: Hot, dry & sunny
  • Location: Guildford, Surrey
Posted

The absolute absurdity of coastal areas of the Gulf of Mexico getting more snow than you've had in years in southern England.. 

 

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