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  • Location: South Derbyshire
  • Location: South Derbyshire
Posted

Imagine an extraordinary month or 2 of weather in a winter or summer but one part is complete dross.

How would you view a winter like:

- Dec 2010, Jan 2020, Feb 2024

- Dec 2015, Jan 2010, Feb 2018

Or a summer like:

- Jun 2012, Jul 2018, Aug 2022

- Jun 2012, Jul 2018, Aug 2014

We did have a summer like that in 2023 with a great June and terrible rest of summer and most people viewed it poor. I’d be curious to see how people would view it if it were July that were great and terrible in June/August.

Winters I reckon you could get away with just the one great month as it’s very rare to get a frigid and snowy spell.

Posted
  • Location: West Yorkshire
  • Location: West Yorkshire
Posted

 TheOgre The one liner I guess would be 'it depends'.

I tend to agree that a single cold or very cold winter month with widespread snow is enough, because standards have dropped quite a lot. In fact, most winters I'd even take two or three decent weeks - even that can be hard to come by sometimes. Essentially because 'standard winter weather' of say 4-10C and raining is not really any different to say 10-16C, and arguably the latter is at least less unpleasant to be out in and saves on heating bills!

Summer is completely different though. The reason is that 'standard summer weather' even at my relatively northern location is something like 18-22C by day these days, which is warm enough to feel 'summery', even if not anything approaching hot. I wouldn't trade one classic summer month for two terrible ones, I'd much rather take my chances with three fairly non-descript ones.

The thing I tend to like regardless of season though, even just for interest, is unusual or notable weather. So for example, if it were 'dross' but the sort of dross that whilst not what most of us want for the season is interesting and notable, then it might be more worth it. E.g. a repeat of the June snow of 1975, or the extremely mild weather of February 2019.

 

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Posted
  • Location: Cardiff
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny, dry and preferably hot. Snow is nice in the winter
  • Location: Cardiff
Posted

In summer, I think, it also depends on the timing. 2023 won't be remembered as a classic as the actual "high summer" period was poor, while a summer like 2013 is remembered fondly despite a poor June and an August that was okay but nothing amazing. June 2023 was equally every bit as good as July 2013 but because of the timing 2013 is remembered as much better. Same could apply to 2016 (quite well liked on here) vs 2017 (generally not well liked) despite having very similar stats.

A summer like Jun 12-Jul 18-Aug 22 would be loved by many as those two months combined would be memorable enough, 1995 being a less extreme example as that summer started quite poorly. What I would be interested in is if we had a summer that went great,terrible,great like Jun 23-Jul 23-Aug 22 - we haven't had any examples of that in a long time I think?

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Posted
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
  • Location: Leeds/Bradford border, 185 metres above sea level, around 600 feet
Posted (edited)

I think it comes down to timing and precipitation levels. 

Most people remember summer 2019 fondly but it was basically 20th June-10th August and that was actually very wet either side. 

Most people remember summers 2006 and 2018 as exceptional even though summer basically ended with July because the August's were still dry so the lack of temperature still felt warm enough being August. 

Winter 2021 was the same since it was basically just the winter version of summer 2019 with a core cold period surrounded by standard fare. 

I think it's a bit harder to achieve in spring and Autumn because the flips feel more pronounced. 

 

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Posted
  • Location: SE Wales.
  • Weather Preferences: Cold snowy winters, mild/warm summers and varied shoulder seasons
  • Location: SE Wales.
Posted

 SunChaserWales I’ve found a bad June is easily overlooked for summer like say we had a June 2012 followed by July 2018 and August 2022 it’s be called classic summer most likely. I guess you can get a bad August and still have it deemed a great summer like say a June 2023,July 2013 then August 2015 wound probably be called decent too.

However a bad July tends to mean that summer gets co-signed to bring a bad summer or mediocre at best like a June 2023,July 2023 August 2022 would probably get rated as a 5/10 or 6/10. 

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Posted
  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
  • Weather Preferences: Continental winters & summers.
  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
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33 minutes ago, Catbrainz said:

June 2023,July 2013 then August 2015

I’d take that, as the bad part of that August didn’t really start until the 19th here. It was essentially dry and mostly fine until then, just without heat.

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Posted
  • Location: SE Wales.
  • Weather Preferences: Cold snowy winters, mild/warm summers and varied shoulder seasons
  • Location: SE Wales.
Posted

 MP-Rit’s pretty rare to get a really bad August for some reason. Maybe August 2008 could be a better example. 

Posted
  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
  • Weather Preferences: Continental winters & summers.
  • Location: Cleeve, North Somerset
Posted

 Catbrainz It's a funny one isn't it. I've commented a few times how June and July can be both stunning or diabolical, but August is often the month that bucks the overall summer by just being neither nor. I think 2008 has to take first prize in my lifetime for worst August, 2010 a close second, then 2011, then 2014.

If 2 out of 3 winter or summer months are good, and the remaining month isn't terrible, then I would class that as a good or excellent season depending.

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Posted
  • Location: Cardiff
  • Weather Preferences: Sunny, dry and preferably hot. Snow is nice in the winter
  • Location: Cardiff
Posted

 MP-R  Outside of the 2008-2015 period August has been neither nor 90% of the time which is quite funny actually, considering how variable June or July can be as you said! I would make a case that August 2008, 2010, 2011, 2014 and 2015 were all terrible months though and definitely not neither nor. And properly good Augusts are very few and far between, hence why people can still count a summer with a average/slightly poor August as a classic i.e 2006 or 2018.

Posted
  • Location: Twickenham, London
  • Weather Preferences: Csa/Csb
  • Location: Twickenham, London
Posted

 TheOgre That summer example with the dross in June would be a repeat of 1990 or 1995, both remembered as being good summers. Only having one good month with 2 poor, like summer 2023, would result in the summer being seen as poor.

 Catbrainz We have had plenty of awful Augusts in recent years. 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2015, 2021.

Posted
  • Location: South Derbyshire
  • Location: South Derbyshire
Posted

 B87 I was thinking the same and also with 2006 featuring a bad August after a great June and July.

 Catbrainz I agree with this one too. A great June, terrible July and great August would probably be seen as a mixed bag summer. July is the height of summer and if it’s terrible it tends not to pass as a good summer.

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Posted
  • Location: Twickenham, London
  • Weather Preferences: Csa/Csb
  • Location: Twickenham, London
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 TheOgre 2010 was another summer with a good June, decent July (it was warm and dry but cloudy) and dreadful August.

I can't actually think of any summers than had a good June and August, with a poor July in the middle. 2004 is probably the closest, but none of the months that year were great. 1973 was another summer with a terrible July, but June and August were so/so. 2009 and 2023 could be included too. None of the summers are good/bad/good though.

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Posted
  • Location: Islington, C. London.
  • Location: Islington, C. London.
Posted

Practically summer 1991 in a nutshell, though I’m not sure of how July was on a day to day basis, but it was warm. 

Odd summer. 

Reminded me of this odd summer I found hiding in the dataset last year. 

 

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