Record Cold Events

[jethro]

Over in the other threads we quite often have "records" held up as proof or other wise of AGW and a warming world. In themselves, they prove nothing but the frequency or severity of them, may reveal a picture (if only how the media reports them).

I thought I'd create a place for posting these events, past, present and future to see what, if anything, is revealed.

Feel free to post absolutely thing weather-wise which is notable.

In order to keep a basic track of volume could you please accompany your post with a number (the following number from the previous post) so that we can keep a running record.

Get posting folks!

[jethro]

1) http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/28092008news.shtml

2) http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/record...8911460353.html

3) http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24088474-1246,00.html

4) http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/coldes...0121034021.html

5) http://forums.ski.com.au/forums/ubbthreads...ge=1#Post483512

6) http://www.theage.com.au/national/melbourn...80822-3zy0.html

7) http://www.caboodle.hu/nc/news/news_archiv...Hash=8c66cff209

8 ) http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21...79-2761,00.html

9) http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=...84615870C810928

10) http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaki.../breaking59.htm

11) http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/10...7071931-cp.html

12) http://www.680news.com/news/headlines/more...21_180748_24464

13) http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0...632-953,00.html

14) http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0...rom=communities

15) http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/28102008news.shtml

16) http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/29102008news.shtml

17) http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/art...ears/article.do

18) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...-sweeps-UK.html

19) http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/travel/Re...14000&ty=nd

20) http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/news/Su...il/article.html

21) http://www.iceagenow.com/Oct_29_record_cold%5B1%5D.pdf

22) http://www.weathermatrix.net/archive/usrecords/0617.html

Edit: Why does number eight come up as a smiley???

Edited November 3, 2008 by pottyprof
smiley removal service.. lololol

[jethro]

23) http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/eu...ine-524716.html

24) http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/d...global-cooling/

24) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-51...big-freeze.html

25) http://www.irishnews.com/articles/540/5860...30Moresnow.html

26) http://www.ocala.com/article/20081030/NEWS...egion_Wednesday

27) http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/...ent_7553718.htm

Someone else can get the silly smiley for the next entry.....

I adore the prompt smiley removal service

[Mondy]

Record Cold in Cuba

US to give world more nuts than Iran

[Nick L]

When was the last record warm event?

Here is another cold one for you:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/02112008news.shtml

[Essan]

When was the last record warm event?

Last month

Of course, at this time of year one would expect a lot more cold records than warm ones because the N Hemisphere - where most of the people are and most of the land mass is - is cooling.

[jethro]

Last month

Of course, at this time of year one would expect a lot more cold records than warm ones because the N Hemisphere - where most of the people are and most of the land mass is - is cooling.

Seasons do not have an impact. Yes we are descending into winter but "record events" are measured against the seasonal norm for that day/week.

Record warm days can and do exist in winter as much as in summer, ditto record cold across all seasons.

Would you like to pop the record warmth link into the warm thread? There's only tumble weed in there at the moment.

[stewfox]

Seasons do not have an impact. Yes we are descending into winter but "record events" are measured against the seasonal norm for that day/week.

Record warm days can and do exist in winter as much as in summer, ditto record cold across all seasons.

Would you like to pop the record warmth link into the warm thread? There's only tumble weed in there at the moment.

Agree

Others

http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/c...!5575.entry

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081...r_grape_growers

Edited November 3, 2008 by stewfox

[noggin]

33) From earlier this year! http://www.netweather.tv/forum/index.php?showtopic=45624

Cheers, Jethro :lol:

[jethro]

Can I please make an appeal for this thread to not descend into a tit for tat, ya boo we've got more than you/it's AGW/Not AGW kind of scenario? There are plenty of other threads for those discussions, this and the warm thread are to track the frequency and occurrence of record events.I've been completely fair by opening two equal threads, one for warm, one for cold.

The idea is to see if any discernible patterns begin to emerge, more cold, more warm or neither. I'd have thought it obvious that we are talking about recent/current/future events from the opening paragraph, historical ice ages don't really have a place here. If there really does need to be a cut off date, let it be this century - I'll ask a mod to change the titles to reflect this to avoid any confusion.

All "record events" are welcome including temperature records in the Arctic/Antarctic.

Seasons do not have an impact; all records whether it be daily/weekly/monthly are measured against the seasonal norm. Media may limit themselves to reporting the coldest November night for 50 years but meteorological societies across the world do not, they record all events.

[pottyprof]

I have moved several posts into the climate change debate thread....

Any more off topic posts will just end up in the bin..

Ta Muchly..

[jethro]

Here's a few more, if you can't be bothered to trawl through all the links, please at least take a look at the first.

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_21685.shtml

http://www.eastoregonian.info/print.asp?Se...ArticleID=83885

http://www.adn.com/life/story/473786.html

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/...l-asia-654.html

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/10...w-temperatures/

http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/c...!5575.entry

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/509492...bring-snowfall/

http://www.theledger.com/article/20081029/...290339/0/WIRE09

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/10...erature-record/

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/date/2008/10

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/sha...d_cold_mor.html

http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=3978

http://weatherblog.abc13.com/2008/10/record-cold-ton.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27575441

[jethro]

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/08_Earth_Changes/...freak.hail.html

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/08_Earth_Changes/...0.blizzard.html

[shuggee]

http://www.netweather.tv/forum/index.php?a...st&id=70361

[laserguy]

http://www.netweather.tv/forum/index.php?a...st&id=70361

Wow,incredible how cold records continue to tumble,and that following the even bigger number that fell during the so-called 'hot years'!

[osmposm]

Here's a few more, if you can't be bothered to trawl through all the links, please at least take a look at the first.

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_21685.shtml

http://www.eastoregonian.info/print.asp?Se...ArticleID=83885

http://www.adn.com/life/story/473786.html

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/...l-asia-654.html

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/10...w-temperatures/

http://dailymusings.spaces.live.com/blog/c...!5575.entry

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/509492...bring-snowfall/

http://www.theledger.com/article/20081029/...290339/0/WIRE09

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/10...erature-record/

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/date/2008/10

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/sha...d_cold_mor.html

http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/?p=3978

http://weatherblog.abc13.com/2008/10/record-cold-ton.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27575441

J, I wholly concur with your earlier appeal against ya-booing. But surely, as the thread title suggests, we should be recording record cold-related events? Of your links above, #1 is an avowedly political website talking about Alaska's glaciers and summer weather - there is nothing whatsoever about any records being broken except a single quote that "the weather this summer was the worst I have seen in at least 20 years", which may or may not be true, but is hardly any sort of objective measurement, it's just one man's opinion. #6 is about records, but is a word-for-word repeat of #2. #3 is a report that if Alaska's summer were to continue as bad for the last third as it had for the first two-thirds then it might set records......did it - do we know? Similarly, #5 says record cold temps "will be possible" (in Florida) for two nights - did they happen, it was two weeks ago? Ditto #13 which...um...usefully informs us that we "could drop to record lows overnight.....if we hit 39 degrees we'll tie the old record" (Houston, Texas). And #14 describes the Dakota blizzard, but doesn't mention if it or the temperatures were record-breaking or even unusual....which implies they weren't particularly.

[osmposm]

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/08_Earth_Changes/...freak.hail.html

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/08_Earth_Changes/...0.blizzard.html

And I'm not sure about these two either. #1 is the Ottery St Mary rain-and-hail (mainly) storm - exceptional, certainly, but I'm not sure I'd really put it even into a "cold event" category, still less a "record cold event" one. And #2 is just a different report of the Dakota blizzard (see #14 above), and once again neither mentions nor even implies that it is exceptional, let alone record-breaking.

Forgive me if the "warming" camp have been doing the same on the other thread re "Warm records", I haven't had time to read much of this recently. I am very interested in these comparisons, but I think I'd prefer slightly more stringent qualifications for entry: otherwise we could just end up with stuff along the lines of "well, this was a terrible summer, I was bloody cold when I was out gardening in July"!

Ossie

[laserguy]

http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headli...008-11-19_09:25

[osmposm]

http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headli...008-11-19_09:25

Oh Barrie, really!?!?! I know it's been a while since anyone's been able to post anything here - and as I pointed out in the two posts before yours, some of Jethro's last lot were pretty suspect - but you must be pretty desperate to link to that as evidence of "record cold".

The nearest to it I can see there is this: Highs will be as much as 20 degrees below normal today throughout most of the East, challenging even more record cold high temperatures....... i.e. some record cold levels, um, might be approached soon. Another page on Accuweather says this: The cold that covers the eastern United States now is remarkable, but not completely unprecedented. Cold air masses of this magnitude have come down before this early in the season, but it is a rare occurrence.

I completely accept that some records may be broken, but let's wait until it happens before reporting it. If we did 'maybe' on the "Record Warm" thread we'd never stop posting.

Hope you're sleeping a bit better.

Ossie

Edited November 21, 2008 by osmposm

[jethro]

Hate to be picky but these threads are for reports - discussions/refutations/questions were in the general climate change thread; I appreciate this has now been closed, perhaps another could be opened for these discussions?

[osmposm]

OK, J, sorry: point taken. But then I guess we all need to be careful to try and post only things that are extremes, and that have actually happened. Otherwise your idea to 'keep a basic track of volume' for comparing hot & cold rather loses its point. We have to compare like with like, surely?

Ossie

Edited November 22, 2008 by osmposm

[laserguy]

OK, J, sorry: point taken. But then I guess we all need to be careful to try and post only things that are extremes, and that have actually happened. Otherwise your idea to 'keep a basic track of volume' for comparing hot & cold rather loses its point. We have to compare like with like, surely?

Ossie

"Here in the States the east is having record cold, some areas 20 degree F below mean. For the second time in 2 weeks Florida is setting record cold".

A quote from David Dilley on the GWO thread,posted many hours before you asserted that it was mere speculation. Keep up to speed,Ossie! My sleep patterns are shocking,but thanks for asking B) . I haven't the inclination right now to verify DD's claim due in part to said sleep woes and 'trouble at t'mill',but I'll take his word for it.

[osmposm]

I am posting this in both the Hot & Cold Record Events threads since it details both.

This webpage http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear...cords/index.php enables you to look up the daily record cold and hot temperatures notified since 2006 by up to 200,000 weather stations in the USA. Only stations with at least 30 years' records are included, and they must have at least 50% data completeness. I have analysed the data for the daily temp records equalled or broken each month for 2008 to date, and here are the results. There are four potential records - lowest maximum & lowest minimum, and highest max & highest min: I've put these together in pairs as "cold records set/tied" & "warm records set/tied":

Jan 2008: 5300 record events - 26% cold; 74% warm

Feb 2008: 3737 record events - 35% cold; 65% warm

Mar 2008: 2086 record events - 53% cold; 47% warm

Apr 2008: 4076 record events - 74% cold; 26% warm

May 2008: 4599 record events - 48% cold; 52% warm

Jun 2008: 5239 record events - 25% cold; 75% warm

July 2008: 2814 record events - 50% cold; 50% warm

Aug 2008: 4199 record events - 47% cold; 53% warm

Sep 2008: 4503 record events - 46% cold; 54% warm

Oct 2008: 3953 record events - 58% cold; 42% warm

Overall, Jan-Sept, there were 40,506 daily record temps set or equalled, of which 45% were cold records & 55% were warm records. To me that looks like a clear pattern - even in the USA that we are so often told isn't warming now at all. You can draw your own conclusions.

They also give figures for November to date, but it is clear from the smaller number of stations mentioned (about 100,000) that many data sets are not yet in. So far there are 405 cold records listed this month vs 2658 - nearly 87% - warm ones. I imagine, though, that the recent bitter blast has not yet fed into the figures properly. I should probably do the whole year's figures again come January - not to mention repeating the exercise for 2006 & 2007. Any other volunteers...?! B)

Ossie

[Interitus]

I am posting this in both the Hot & Cold Record Events threads since it details both.

This webpage http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear...cords/index.php enables you to look up the daily record cold and hot temperatures notified since 2006 by up to 200,000 weather stations in the USA. Only stations with at least 30 years' records are included, and they must have at least 50% data completeness. I have analysed the data for the daily temp records equalled or broken each month for 2008 to date, and here are the results. There are four potential records - lowest maximum & lowest minimum, and highest max & highest min: I've put these together in pairs as "cold records set/tied" & "warm records set/tied":

Jan 2008: 5300 record events - 26% cold; 74% warm

Feb 2008: 3737 record events - 35% cold; 65% warm

Mar 2008: 2086 record events - 53% cold; 47% warm

Apr 2008: 4076 record events - 74% cold; 26% warm

May 2008: 4599 record events - 48% cold; 52% warm

Jun 2008: 5239 record events - 25% cold; 75% warm

July 2008: 2814 record events - 50% cold; 50% warm

Aug 2008: 4199 record events - 47% cold; 53% warm

Sep 2008: 4503 record events - 46% cold; 54% warm

Oct 2008: 3953 record events - 58% cold; 42% warm

Overall, Jan-Sept, there were 40,506 daily record temps set or equalled, of which 45% were cold records & 55% were warm records. To me that looks like a clear pattern - even in the USA that we are so often told isn't warming now at all. You can draw your own conclusions.

They also give figures for November to date, but it is clear from the smaller number of stations mentioned (about 100,000) that many data sets are not yet in. So far there are 405 cold records listed this month vs 2658 - nearly 87% - warm ones. I imagine, though, that the recent bitter blast has not yet fed into the figures properly. I should probably do the whole year's figures again come January - not to mention repeating the exercise for 2006 & 2007. Any other volunteers...?! B)

Ossie

This is far more conclusive than any study of media reports could ever hope to be.

Whilst the media may be perfectly truthful, they are likely to be far from comprehensive as they obviously focus on stories of interest.

For example, snow in unlikely locations would receive attention - above average winter temperatures in those same places would probably not merit mention.

Essentially the media reflects the adverse affects of weather which in terms of temperature concentrates on winter cold and summer heat, and it is arguable that winter weather may have a greater impact and hence more reports.

[jethro]

It's only one continent....do we measure the world by the CET?