Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull Volcano

[saint]

This BA test flight, isn't it acctually collecting samples and not flying directly into the thickest or most dangerous parts of the Ash?

[The PIT]

Its at 30,000ft just approaching s ireland heading 273degrees

Which radar are you using ????

[AtlanticFlamethrower]

Yeah but the problem is its likely to be in pockets, so even if you test the air you can't be sure a ash pocket hasn't been missed, another plane rcould fly through it, crash and leave hundreds dead, thats why there has been a carpet ban, because the ash is now likely at many different levels and in different concentrations, just because it may be good now, doesn't mean that airspace wil lbe good in even 2-3hrs time by which time it could already be too late...

These pockets are not as dense as those which caused the KLM867 flight problems. The zero-tolerance ban is based on computer models of a volcanic explosion the size of Katla - and ey-a-loke is moderate compared. In some areas the dust thickness must be no greater than a summer plume from the Sahara. We should at least consider whether we could raise the threshold dust tolerance level before planes are allowed to fly.

Remember the KLM flight didn't crash, even though all four engines were initially knocked out after hitting a volcanic dust trail. The plume was from a volcano they had not been told had exploded - otherwise they would have flown around it. The conditions under which airlines would fly today are not comparable to that historic incident as there is much more weather data available to guide pilots.

[katemart]

OOer - COBRA is to be convened! Looks like the electioneering will have to take a back seat...! :unsure:

[frostyjoe]

No it went over Merthyr Tydfil at 20,000ft and began a climb to 25000 ft was heading towards Swansea area, thought it was going to head towards Ireland Coast before heading back to Cardiff where they have a maintainace facility.

Strange how it dissapeared off radar

apparently its going over republic of ireland to geto the atlantic? according to the bbc anyway.

[Delta76]

No it went over Merthyr Tydfil at 20,000ft and began a climb to 25000 ft was heading towards Swansea area, thought it was going to head towards Ireland Coast before heading back to Cardiff where they have a maintainace facility.

Strange how it dissapeared off radar

a final comment on the BA test flight its NOT disappeared is 5 miles North East of Cork in Ireland at @ 35,000ft heading West .

[frostyjoe]

a final comment on the BA test flight its NOT disappeared is 5 miles North East of Cork in Ireland at @ 35,000ft heading West .

what radar are you using? its not coming up on any that i know of.

[AtlanticFlamethrower]

OOer - COBRA is to be convened! Looks like the electioneering will have to take a back seat...! :unsure:

Some would say this is electioneering.

[derrylynne]

Going to be interesting times as can see the airports opening again in the name of profits. Till one comes down. Like the bit about the plane did not crash even though all four engines cut out. Who would like to try it. Be a real andrelin buster that one. Any takers. As for me - there is no way I will go up there at the moment. Might have to keep my eye on the skies though in case one is coming down in the wrong place.

[katemart]

Some would say this is electioneering.

Too true - the implications have sure taken a long time to sink in!

[Mondy]

Latest volcanic ash forecast. Newfoundland too! http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271612174.png

[dogs32]

constituency plans are being drawn up like a Spanish Hub for long haul flights.

:unsure: :clap: eat that sucker...lol

Navy being used for transport and freight..ect..ect...

this is if things dont get sorted out...all depends on the forecasts and the test flights...

[saint]

Using the Navy to bring people home?! It's a possibility now according to Government officials and Military officials.

[Delta76]

what radar are you using? its not coming up on any that i know of.

casper

[frostyjoe]

Latest volcanic ash forecast. Newfoundland too! http://www.metoffice..._1271612174.png

Funny that it isnt in spain and yet it reaches newfoundland!

casper

thanks do you have to pay for that it aint loading any aircraft.

[katemart]

"It won’t be a volcano that ends man’s existence on this planet. It’ll be the no-win no-fee lawyers. They are the ones who brought Europe to a halt last week. They are the ones who made a simple trip from Berlin to London into a five-country, all-day hammer blow on your licence fee. They are the ones who must be stopped." :unsure:

Jeremy Clarkson http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/jeremy_clarkson/article7100772.ece

[Stamford Bobby]

Funny that it isnt in spain and yet it reaches newfoundland!

thanks do you have to pay for that it aint loading any aircraft.

Click on Dublin and zoom out a bit

[The PIT]

These pockets are not as dense as those which caused the KLM867 flight problems. The zero-tolerance ban is based on computer models of a volcanic explosion the size of Katla - and ey-a-loke is moderate compared. In some areas the dust thickness must be no greater than a summer plume from the Sahara. We should at least consider whether we could raise the threshold dust tolerance level before planes are allowed to fly.

Remember the KLM flight didn't crash, even though all four engines were initially knocked out after hitting a volcanic dust trail. The plume was from a volcano they had not been told had exploded - otherwise they would have flown around it. The conditions under which airlines would fly today are not comparable to that historic incident as there is much more weather data available to guide pilots.

Please get your facts right. Redoubt volcano was already in eruption before the flight in question and had in fact erupted the day before and this was the plume they flew into. I also believe this incident helped rewrite the manual on how too handle flying into Volcanic plumes.

Okay they didn't die but caused millions pounds of damage to the aircraft in question and they were lucky.

You are also forgetting that plumes don't always show up on radar and are not always visible.

[frostyjoe]

Click on Dublin and zoom out a bit

I still see no aircraft.

[kold weather]

These pockets are not as dense as those which caused the KLM867 flight problems. The zero-tolerance ban is based on computer models of a volcanic explosion the size of Katla - and ey-a-loke is moderate compared. In some areas the dust thickness must be no greater than a summer plume from the Sahara.

Whilst true the fact is there could quite easily be pockets of denser ash still around, esp because the atmosphere is so fluid with various eddies, etc.

That being said there is a window still for Central Europe IMO, if these companies really are so money greedy (because lets be honest, they don't *actually* care about stranded people, they just care about thier wallets, as most companies do) then I feel they probably have a window to go and probably only get minimal ash damage, after 18z tommorow any flight in Europe will once again IMO become very dangerous given a direct NW flow from Iceland itself...

[shuggee]

Nat Geo Channel - 9pm

(Sky 526)

Air Crash Investigation

Been on before (and it's a classic) - tells the full story of what might happen in these circumstances...

[saint]

According to Accuweather, the cloud is only at a height of around 10,000 ft, it does not reach the previous 30,000 ft. True? And how does this affect the possibility of flights?

[mettalfabrik]

BA as i write are engaged in a test flight out to sea west of ireland from london heathrow then back to cardiff maintenance facilty to check newly installed air filters and an indepth inspection of engines plane is a B747 ARRIVAL back to cardiff circa 2030

[Stamford Bobby]

I still see no aircraft.

It does disappear every now and then, but does come back.....Willie Walsh is safe :unsure:

[saint]

It does disappear every now and then, but does come back.....Willie Walsh is safe

Silly thought, but it could it be doing that because of the Ash affecting it's systems/computers/tracking devices etc....?