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  • Location: ILCHESTER
  • Location: ILCHESTER

Unable to find such clear data for Scandi as a whole, but below are links to the current snow cover in Finland and ave dates for both permanent cover and melt. What's pretty obvious is snow cover is both well down in extent and is much later than usual this season, with the outlook also looking pretty uninspiring snow wise.

http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/snow-statistics'>http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/snow-statistics

http://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/ Then Lumitilanne from drop down menu on the left.

Norway and Sweden appear to be fairing even worst at the moment. Personally I like to see a good cover across Scandi as early as possible, if we are to have the best chance of a cold winter here, but I'd appreciate some views on the subject.

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  • Location: Purley, Surrey - 246 Ft ASL
  • Weather Preferences: January 1987 / July 2006
  • Location: Purley, Surrey - 246 Ft ASL

It is because of the Euro High though.

I am surprised that people are becomming so distressed, the lack of snow is purely down to the current synoptics. On the flip side, the whole of Russia (including western areas) are plastered in the stuff.

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  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)
  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)

Same with Helsinki:

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This is Måløy on the southeastern side of the island of Vågsøy, further up in Norway:

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Here is a traffic cam from way up in Majavatn on the main E6 route:

http://webkamera.veg...amera?id=115671

Finally here is Rovaniemi in Finland (Lapland) , where Santa Claus has his Post Office!

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http://www.rovaniemi.fi/layouts/rovaniemi/includes/360/rovakatu.asp?sek=10

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  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)
  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)

Doesn't seem like they have a lot on the way either. This is the Snow Forecast and Weather Outlook for the ski resort of Riksgränsen, Sweden just by the Norway border, covering the period from Thursday 17th November 2011 to Thursday 24th November 2011.

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Depth expected in MM

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  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl
  • Location: Bramley, Hampshire, 70m asl

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Finally here is Rovaniemi in Finland (Lapland) , where Santa Claus has his Post Office!

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

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seems to be a tough old fella-its -4C the report says for today and slight snow predicted for tonight and tomorrow!

seems to be a tough old fella-its -4C the report says for today and slight snow predicted for tonight and tomorrow!

silly me I remember him when I was just a nipper so he must be bl---- old by now!

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  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.
  • Weather Preferences: Snow and storms
  • Location: Hayward’s Heath - home, Brighton/East Grinstead - work.

I have to say that I am not too concerned by lack of Scandinavian snow cover for the forthcoming winter. The fact that the Eurasion snow cover is above average is more important in my opinion. When the right pattern hits it won't take long for things to reverse over Scandinavia. The ssts may be more important in marginal siuations.

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  • Location: Whitkirk, Leeds 86m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Anything but mild south-westeries in winter
  • Location: Whitkirk, Leeds 86m asl

I'm concerned for personal reasons.. since Scandinavia is my favourite place on earth. :wub:

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  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)
  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)

Unable to find such clear data for Scandi as a whole

Here we go:

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Various options on past days accumulated falls and forecast for several hours ahead here:

http://www.snow-fore...s/dynamic/scand

UK here (for reference this Winter!!!)

http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/uk

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  • Location: Irlam
  • Location: Irlam

"The uncommonly serene and mild autumnal weather still continues and now supplies us in abundance with garden produce, of which we were deprived during the summer by the great drought. To be without fire in the stoves and to have meadows covered with verdure instead of snow, is a strange phenomenon here in the month of November."

A report from Stockholm, the date....17th November 1818

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  • Location: Otford/Sevenoaks, NW Kent (Approx. 100m asl); Hometown - Auckland, New Zealand
  • Location: Otford/Sevenoaks, NW Kent (Approx. 100m asl); Hometown - Auckland, New Zealand

"The uncommonly serene and mild autumnal weather still continues and now supplies us in abundance with garden produce, of which we were deprived during the summer by the great drought. To be without fire in the stoves and to have meadows covered with verdure instead of snow, is a strange phenomenon here in the month of November."

A report from Stockholm, the date....17th November 1818

Do you mind refreshing our memories as to what the winter that followed was like Mr D? I get the feeling from your post that it was a cold one...

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  • Location: Otford/Sevenoaks, NW Kent (Approx. 100m asl); Hometown - Auckland, New Zealand
  • Location: Otford/Sevenoaks, NW Kent (Approx. 100m asl); Hometown - Auckland, New Zealand

December was cold but January and February were touch above average. Quite a bit of rime during December.

Hmm, quite the opposite of what many of the experienced forecasters on this forum are expecting.

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  • Location: Leicestershire (hinckley)
  • Location: Leicestershire (hinckley)

In terms of cold here surely its pretty much irrelevant, as whats keeping them warm is also keeping us warm, however if synoptics changed and we had a raging easterly, they would soon be snow bound and due to the sheer amount of snow over russia at the moment it would be much better than if russia had no snow and scandi had tons.

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  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)
  • Location: Eastbourne, East Sussex (work in Mid Sussex)

For some reason, Scandinavia is not its frigid self, with unusually warm weather delaying the onset of winter in northern latitudes normally decked in white.

The lack of snow has been bad news for winter sports — World Cup ski races have been dropped, or held on artificial snow, and mountain ski resorts are unable to open.

There are even reports of bird song and blooming gardens in some places typically entering the winter freeze at this time of year. “Some flowers, like roses, have actually begun to blossom for a second time,†said Mats Rosenberg, a biologist in Orebro, south-central Sweden. Weather experts say this fall is on track to become one of the warmest on record in the northern part of Scandinavia, where the start of winter has been delayed by more than a month in certain locations. In the Finnish town of Sodankyla, 80 miles (130 kilometers) north of the Arctic Circle, snow cover started Nov. 17, the latest date in 100 years, said Pauli Jokinen, spokesman at the Finnish Meteorological Institute.

Animals — such as stoats, hares and willow grouse — that change color with the season turned white weeks before the snows came, bringing an eerie feeling to the snowless wilds of Lapland. “It was really very weird — ghost-like white figures darting among the yellow leaves and lichen,†said Viljo Pesonen, mayor of the town of 9,000. “They don’t go by the weather conditions, time determines when they turn white. It has also made the place much darker as there has been no snow to lighten the shortening days,†he said, adding that heavy rain during the day had already cleared fields of snow.

Earlier this month, World Cup Alpine skiing races were moved from Levi, Finland, to Austria because of the lack of snow. Cross-country World Cup races in Norway last weekend had to be moved from barren ground in Beitostoelen to Sjusjoen, where at least it was cold enough for artificial snow to stick. Ski lifts remain idle in Are, Sweden’s biggest ski resort, which normally opens in the first half of November.

“But there is some snow at the very top, and so you have to throw the skis over the shoulder and make the 4-mile (6 kilometer) walk up there if you want to ski,†said Benny Paulsson, a spokesman for Are’s tourist office.

According to Sweden’s meteorological office SMHI, the average temperature measured for November so far is 12.6 degrees Fahrenheit (7 degrees Celsius) above average. For example, the residents of Kiruna city, northern Sweden, had do deal with temperatures of 32 degrees Fahrenheit (0 degrees Celsius) on Thursday night, much warmer than they are accustomed to.

http://www.washingto...VNsN_story.html

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  • Location: Austevoll Kommune North of 60 deg N
  • Weather Preferences: Cold with a metre of lying snow
  • Location: Austevoll Kommune North of 60 deg N

I live in Western Norway close to 60 deg North and I went up local mountain yesterday and trod on very small patches of snow - usually at this time of year the mountain top is out of bounds due to about 4 feet of snow. Currently we are waiting for the first real coating of the white stuff.

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