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  • Location: Ribble Valley
  • Location: Ribble Valley

I'm not trying to be funny.:rofl: But - what change?:D

The change to cooler drivers Pete, but I'm pretty sure you knew that already. We've still some way to go yet, what the next solar cycle and the AMO due to go negative the outlook is cold, for the NH at least.

Being 50 I also lived through that period as a quite inquisitive child/young adult and remember no such 'to do' about ice ages? Did we have one 'horizon' programme about it? I do recall endless documentaries about how human beings were trashing the natural world and all the lovely images I was watching would be consigned to history as the animals fell prey to human ecological mismanagement ( due to greed for natural resources ). As such I came away knowing that mankind was doing untold harm to his home. By the 80's this was augmented with climate change, acid rains and Ozone holes.

You must have had at least a happy childhood then GW? :) Edited by Sceptical Inquirer
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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

The change to cooler drivers Pete, but I'm pretty sure you knew that already. We've still some way to go yet, what the next solar cycle and the AMO due to go negative the outlook is cold, for the NH at least. 

Maybe, yes? Maybe, no? Who knows? Only time will tell?

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  • Location: inter drumlin South Tyrone Blackwater river valley surrounded by the last last ice age...
  • Weather Preferences: jack frost
  • Location: inter drumlin South Tyrone Blackwater river valley surrounded by the last last ice age...

Were you badly affected?

too funny !

Aaaggghh, reading through your post gw, Acid Rain, never here about that anymore??? Have they got a new name for it??Posted Image Posted Image Posted ImagePosted Image Posted Image

Chinese sunshine

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

Indeed, but why not take that same stance with AGW?

Because, IMO, the evidence is overwhelming...

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  • Location: Ribble Valley
  • Location: Ribble Valley

Because, IMO, the evidence is overwhelming...

Lol, the evidence is only overwhelming if your closed minded. This evidence you speak off relies on far too much conjecture which makes it no more overwhelming than any other theory, except for the fact that scientists in general rely far too much on government monies so the urge to find other causes is, shall we say, non existent. Edited by Sceptical Inquirer
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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

Why the need for childish insults? They don't strengthen arguments, they weaken them...

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  • Location: Ribble Valley
  • Location: Ribble Valley

Why the need for childish insults? They don't strengthen arguments, they weaken them...

It was too late for this grumpy old man for posting, apologies for the closed minded remark Pete. The rest of my post is relevant though as there is far too much conjecture on all sides really, no one really knows where we are heading and at best second guessing is the best we've got.
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  • Location: Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.......
  • Weather Preferences: Hot & Sunny, Cold & Snowy
  • Location: Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.......

We are still in our current 'glacial Epoch' Mr D. but not currently 'an ice age'?

 

It would appear that the formation of peat bogs was key in sequestering enough CO2, and safely storing it out of the carbon cycle, for the impacts of orbital forcings to lead to ice accumulation (and further reduction in global CO2 levels).

 

Not only have we decided to replace the CO2 that the peat bogs 'locked away' with 'fossil' carbon cycle carbon but also to destroy over 25% of the planets peat reserves (allowing the warming planet to destroy the rest???)

 

Should we remove one of the major CO2 soaks then we may well remove ourselves from this current Glacial Epoch?

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  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.
  • Weather Preferences: Thunder, snow, heat, sunshine...
  • Location: Beccles, Suffolk.

Indeed, but why not take that same stance with AGW?

Because AGW is the one part of our ever-changing climate that we can influence...

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  • Location: Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.......
  • Weather Preferences: Hot & Sunny, Cold & Snowy
  • Location: Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.......

too funny !

Chinese sunshine

 

Indeed Asia is seeing the same (if not worse?) impacts from the sulphates in their coal fired power stations pollution? 

 

Funny how some folk appear to reveal themselves as NIMBYs when it comes to AGW?

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  • Location: Huddersfield, 145m ASL
  • Weather Preferences: Lots of snow, lots of hot sun
  • Location: Huddersfield, 145m ASL

Lol, the evidence is only overwhelming if your closed minded. This evidence you speak off relies on far too much conjecture which makes it no more overwhelming than any other theory, except for the fact that scientists in general rely far too much on government monies so the urge to find other causes is, shall we say, non existent.

You seriously believe that the 'green agenda' holds more sway in the Western corridors of power than the lobbying/vested interests of the global carbon multi-nationals ? You truly believe that governments have some kind of conspiratorial agenda to foist 'green taxes' on us rather than be swayed by the interests of some of the most powerful and economically important corporations on the planet ? Please point me to single scrap of verifiable evidence that this has happened or is happening. It would be nothing short of a policy making miracle..............
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  • Location: North York Moors
  • Location: North York Moors

Well, there's $79 Billion so far been spent on research trying to confirm how terrible the impacts of CO2 must be.
How does that compare to this imaginary funding by oil companies.
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/massive-climate-funding-exposed/

 

The point of this report is to show how the process of science can be distorted (like any human endeavor) by a massive one-sided input of money.

 

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  • Location: Ribble Valley
  • Location: Ribble Valley

You seriously believe that the 'green agenda' holds more sway in the Western corridors of power than the lobbying/vested interests of the global carbon multi-nationals ? You truly believe that governments have some kind of conspiratorial agenda to foist 'green taxes' on us rather than be swayed by the interests of some of the most powerful and economically important corporations on the planet ? Please point me to single scrap of verifiable evidence that this has happened or is happening. It would be nothing short of a policy making miracle..............

You obviously don't know how politics work as governments will appease both parties due the fact there is monies to be made out of both of them. Taxes, taxes and more taxes.

Because AGW is the one part of our ever-changing climate that we can influence...

In some aspects regarding deforestation I agree, with regards to CO2 that's open to question.
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  • Location: Rochester, Kent
  • Location: Rochester, Kent

You seriously believe that the 'green agenda' holds more sway in the Western corridors of power than the lobbying/vested interests of the global carbon multi-nationals ?

 

Well, it's funny you should say that.

 

Greenpeace say that 'While much discussion can be made about whether or not global warming contributed to the severity of Katrina what the world's climate scientists do know is that the burning of fossil fuels will likely increase the number and severity of extreme weather events' whilst linking in to a scientists view (ii) that says 'that there is no way to prove that Katrina either was, or was not, affected by global warming. For a single event, regardless of how extreme, such attribution is fundamentally impossible' The piece goes further and suggests that hurricane activity is likely to be more destructive as SST rise, not necessarily more frequent.

 

One is clearly politics driven, the other by bog-standard raw science. I know which one I'd go for; and, besides, this sort of politics driven statement endangers the work of reputable climate scientists, since now they will have to argue, needlessly, against the drivel that weather events, such as Katrina, are a symptom of climate change, ergo, recent cold UK winters are a symptom of a pause in AGW, a stop in AGW, a reversal of AGW; all of which it is indicative of precisely none of them.

 

(i) http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/features/Katrina/

(ii) http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=181

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  • Location: Swallownest, Sheffield 83m ASL
  • Location: Swallownest, Sheffield 83m ASL

We're starting to move away from the topic and while some drift is acceptable I think we're drifting into a general rag chew.

 

Please stay with the topic.

 

 

Back in the 70's prior to the current alleged consensus of AGW climate scientist were adamant of an ice age being around the corner, now we know how that ended could the answer to the question of why they felt this be a simple one.

IMO climate scientist were basing their ideas on a simple phenomenon the PDO, during this period the PDO was in its negative phase this combined with a negative AMO lead many climate scientist into thinking an ice age was looming, why god only knows. Fast forward a decade later and that same phenomenon combined with the centuries highest solar output gave rise to what has now become that what shall remain nameless. 

Fast forward again and we now have a negative PDO although the AMO remains positive and the lowest solar output for nearly a century, now we can witness first hand just which will prove the greater forcing. The outlook for proponents off AGW isn't looking very promising to be honest, lots of forecasted scenarios simply haven't materialised such as more hurricanes and snowless UK winters add to that the projected temp rises which are constantly being adjusted to either show we are warmer now than we where during the MWP, or the constant amendments to future rises in temps due to the fact that all previous forecasted rises haven't hit their targets today.

 

 

Ta muchly  :)

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