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phil nw.

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  • Location: Longden, Shropshire
  • Location: Longden, Shropshire

Thanks Phil.  I won't be complaining too much if this forecast ends up being close to the mark!  From the forecasts I've seen so far, there does appear to be a growing trend for a normal December with cold potential more likely later in January and February.  Interesting.

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  • Location: Broadmayne, West Dorset
  • Weather Preferences: Snowfall in particular but most aspects of weather, hate hot and humid.
  • Location: Broadmayne, West Dorset

Great effort Phil and and a pretty feasible outcome. Thanks for showing your methodology too always enable a forecast to be taken far more seriously.

I wouldn't complain at something along the lines you suggest.

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  • Location: Windermere 120m asl
  • Location: Windermere 120m asl

A good forecast based on the evidence you have used - and very plausible. We've become used to cold weather pre-new year in recent winters since 08/09, however, your forecast suggests a much more typical winter in that the coldest part of the winter will be the second half.

 

Indeed your December projected pattern isn't far of what GFS is showing for the end of November - yes a long way off. I would think the north in particular would never be too far away from deep cold - Dec 1993 saw a notably cold second half in the north, and Dec 78 I think saw some cold weather in the north.

 

I will be giving my thoughts for what they are worth  sometime during the last week of November.

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  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks
  • Location: just south of Doncaster, Sth Yorks

blimey phil, and you say you are only a beginner-an awful lot of work in there so many thanks for that.

Like any forecast we have to wait for what the actual data shows.

By the way none of the anomaly charts allow me to view them, I get a note from Net Weather saying I am not allowed?

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  • Location: Catchgate, Durham,705ft asl
  • Location: Catchgate, Durham,705ft asl

blimey phil, and you say you are only a beginner-an awful lot of work in there so many thanks for that.

Like any forecast we have to wait for what the actual data shows.

By the way none of the anomaly charts allow me to view them, I get a note from Net Weather saying I am not allowed?

 

Yes,same for me.

 

A very well written and presented forecast which hopefully will be near the mark!

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  • Location: Mostly Watford but 3 months of the year at Capestang 34310, France
  • Weather Preferences: Continental type climate with lots of sunshine with occasional storm
  • Location: Mostly Watford but 3 months of the year at Capestang 34310, France

Sounds ok Phil but I have not been able to open up your charts - apparently I am not authorised to see them

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  • Location: HANDSWORTH BIRMINGHAM B21. 130MASL. 427FT.
  • Weather Preferences: WINTERS WITH HEAVY DISRUPTIVE SNOWFALL AVRAGE SPRING HOT SUMMERS.
  • Location: HANDSWORTH BIRMINGHAM B21. 130MASL. 427FT.

thanks phill i hope your forecast is near the mark.

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  • Location: Catchgate, Durham,705ft asl
  • Location: Catchgate, Durham,705ft asl

Hopefully Phil won't mind me re-creating his composites and posting them in larger images.

 

The overall Winter 500hPa pattern and surface temperature anomalies.

 

     

 

 

The 3 months
Taking a month by month approach we see a change of pattern as the season progresses.
Here are the height and surface temperature charts for the 3 individual Winter months.

 

 

December

 

     

 

 

January

 

 

 

February

 

 

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  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Snow then clear and frosty.
  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl

Thanks Cloud.Yes sorry about the image viewing problem that some of you have experienced.

My fault having copied/pasted stuff from an earlier effort.

 

I have uploaded this pdf file with everything on there.

 

 
I Hope this solves the problem.
 
Thanks for the positive feedback so far btw.
Something for everyone if anywhere near the mark. Posted Image

 

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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

 

Thanks Cloud.Yes sorry about the image viewing problem that some of you have experienced.

My fault having copied/pasted stuff from an earlier effort.

 

I have uploaded this pdf file with everything on there.

 

 
 
I Hope this solves the problem.
 
Thanks for the positive feedback so far btw.
Something for everyone if anywhere near the mark. Posted Image

 

 

Don't appear to have permission for the PDF either?

 

EDIT: decided pm was better for the question.

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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

EDIT: Deleted

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  • Location: Upton Upon Severn
  • Location: Upton Upon Severn

Whether you are right or wrong Phil, thanks for putting together a clear and concise forecast backed up nicely.

I would gladly take your forecast if you are right!

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  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Snow then clear and frosty.
  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl

 

According the re-analysis page the year is the February in which the Winter ends-i am sure i read that Void-unless i am going mad,lol

Hence the 79 and 94 charts are indeed 78/9 and 93/4 Winter composites.

I don,t see why the pdf wont open -that's strange- i will try adding another file to my earlier post.Posted Image

Yep, that's true. But for the individual monthly composites, December should be 78 and 93 (not 79 and 94), January 79 and 94, and February 79 and 94, they shouldn't all be same as the winter composite.

By using 79 and 94 for December, you're using the 79/80 and 94/95 winters I think. Confusing!

 

Yes looking at again Void you are right you know.

I can't go back and edit now but it will make December a colder projection than my original one that's for sure.

 

Based on that a correction then.

 

 

December looking very unsettled with signs of a southerly tracking jet and lows headed across the UK,s latitude.

Indications of a weakened vortex over the Canadian side now evident with cold n/ne incursions quite possible north of the jet.This cold affecting the north of the UK especially at times.

It does depend on the placement of the boundary but this looks like a much colder and more interesting month than projected from the first(incorrect)re-analysis.

 

This would revise down the December CET  to a lower 4.5 to 5C rather than the 5.5C to 6C of earlier.

Looking colder for Scotland for sure.

 

 

I am really sorry folks.I got confused on the years when entering them on the analysis.

 

At least it's an even better outlook for cold lovers!

 

Thanks again BFTV.Posted Image

 

NB.

I will try and get another (revised) pdf file uploaded later.

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  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Snow then clear and frosty.
  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl

Right hopefully this time everything is correct.

 

Firstly I have attached the 3 months anomaly charts including the revised December analysis.

 

Dec.  post-2026-0-16082200-1384357965_thumb.pnpost-2026-0-70039700-1384357970_thumb.pn

 

Jan.  post-2026-0-99083600-1384358013_thumb.pnpost-2026-0-66323100-1384358029_thumb.pn

 

Feb. post-2026-0-33385100-1384358051_thumb.pnpost-2026-0-97086900-1384358070_thumb.pn

 

Overall Winter(unchanged)

 

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also 2 doc.types.

 

WINTER 2013 rev..pdf

 

Winter F 2013-14 rev.docx

 

The whole content including revision of text after December correction.

 

I do hope these open for everyone-i think one is an open office doc.I am not great on this aspect of PC work-documents/files etc so please bear with me.

 

Ok i am now off to lie down in a dark room for a few minutes.Posted Image

 

 

 

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  • Location: HANDSWORTH BIRMINGHAM B21. 130MASL. 427FT.
  • Weather Preferences: WINTERS WITH HEAVY DISRUPTIVE SNOWFALL AVRAGE SPRING HOT SUMMERS.
  • Location: HANDSWORTH BIRMINGHAM B21. 130MASL. 427FT.

hi phill cant open the pdf ither. Thanks.

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  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Snow then clear and frosty.
  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl

hi phill cant open the pdf ither. Thanks.

It opens for me-Does the other file open?

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  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary
  • Weather Preferences: Cold, Snow, Windstorms and Thunderstorms
  • Location: Ireland, probably South Tipperary

Right hopefully this time everything is correct.

 

Firstly I have attached the 3 months anomaly charts including the revised December analysis.

 

Dec.  Posted Image0DuqfcjjCT.pngPosted Imagek6UNKA7AUN.png

 

Jan.  Posted Imagejan ht.pngPosted Imagejan t.png

 

Feb. Posted Imagefeb ht.pngPosted Imagefeb t.png

 

Overall Winter(unchanged)

 

Posted Imagecombenso-qbo-osc.pngPosted Imagecomb t.png

 

also 2 doc.types.

 

Posted ImageWINTER 2013 rev..pdf

 

Posted ImageWinter F 2013-14 rev.docx

 

The whole content including revision of text after December correction.

 

I do hope these open for everyone-i think one is an open office doc.I am not great on this aspect of PC work-documents/files etc so please bear with me.

 

Ok i am now off to lie down in a dark room for a few minutes.Posted Image

 

All works fine for me Phil. Cheers for all the work!

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  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl
  • Weather Preferences: Snow then clear and frosty.
  • Location: Nuneaton,Warks. 128m asl

Thanks Phil. What's your opinion about the small sample size you use, two years?

Yes a result of filtering out all the years since the 1960's which didn't show all 3 variables i looked at.

That's how it came out as you can see from the full set of data.

In a way it resulted in a very clear picture as only 2 Winters to study.

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