South East England & East Anglia Regional Weather Discussion 01/03/14

[Snowangel-MK]

Here we are ....a nice new 'spring clean' thread (as it's officially Spring in Meteorological terms) there are a few definitions of when Spring officially begins the Solar Spring actually began about a month ago (not that you would have noticed really). The Solar seasons are determined by the length of daylight hours. Here in the UK our shortest days are between November and January, and this is classed as the Solar Winter - hence the Solar Spring begins in February.

 

The Astronomical seasons are determined by the tilt of the Earth on it's axis. The Astronomical Spring begins on the Vernal Equinox which is the moment when the angle of the Earth's axis is neither inclined away from or towards the sun. This year the Vernal Equinox occurs on the 20th March in the Northern Hemisphere. 

 

The Meteorological seasons are the four commonly known seasons that we all know - Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter. The Meteorological seasons are simply based upon temperature, with Winter typically being the coldest time of year and Summer the warmest. The 12 months of the year are split into 3 month seasons so given that the coldest weather here in the UK typically occurs between December and February this is classed as the Meteorological Winter. This ended yesterday meaning that Spring starts today - the 1st March and unlike this thread will last until the Meteorological Summer begins on the 1st June!

 

So as we are mainly here to discuss the weather in this region (with some other humorous, informative and chatty posts thrown in for good measure) tell us about your local conditions and how you plan to make the most of this (hopefully) more user friendly time of year....

 

 

 

 

 

Link to the previous one here......

 

 

http://forum.netweather.tv/topic/79527-south-east-england-east-anglia-regional-weather-discussion-220214/page-34#entry2940608

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2014 by MKsnowangel

[Croydondazz]

Mk

But will we see the snow like we did last year end of march/April ?

[Keraunic]

The spring has sprung the grass has riz

I wonders where the birdies iz

The birds are on the wing I heard

Should not the wings be on the bird

[Snowangel-MK]

Mk

But will we see the snow like we did last year end of march/April ?

 

in this region ?   I very much doubt it 

 

....and really would you want to now - I've got to the point of no return with winter and will happily move on to warmer and drier stuff  - thoughts of BBQ's and days out in the sunshine are filling my head 

[SteveCoops]

Yeah I'm thinking the same now - I walked out into the conservatory earlier in the glorious sunshine completely forgetting it's like 5'C outside and was annoyed I couldn't go sit in the sun with a beer.

 

You watch though, I'll still be lamppost watching within 3 seconds of hearing there's a chance of seeing a flake of snow!

[legrandefromage]

So I win? I stated we'd get no lying snow for our region and it has come true.

I am now a weather God.

I will now enter the mod thread and announce my new found powers.

I will allow a small group of members to touch my hem

Edited March 1, 2014 by legrandefromage

[john pike]

hi all

 

hope you had a good day

 

computer issues seem resolved so will do

 

my updates in a little while

 

back later

 

john

[john pike]

do tonight for now

 

easy one

 

a weak variable flow

 

no rain

 

temps

 

a cold night with frost quite widely felt

 

fog and mist possible coastal and some rural regions

 

a chance of some localised ice patches

 

back soon with tomorrow

[Jason T]

Mk

But will we see the snow like we did last year end of march/April ?

 

If we do Daz, It really will not matter.To be honest I cant see it happening, Prime time past long ago,Any event now Would be a one day wonder.Based on current output....Time to move on and enjoy that lovely HP coming in...Dry out time and long may it continue,Well until  November this year. My post on twits stated this tonight.....Winter 2013/14, Don't brag..You were a non starter..As for a finisher well you need to start first. Hope you enjoyed your USA trip.

 

 

Current flood risk.

 

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/31618.aspx

Edited March 1, 2014 by Jason T

[Jason T]

Blimey we are in a pattern that's before Christ (BC) 

 

0 BC - 350 AD
" Roman expansion & domination " ~200 BC: Beginning of a notable upturn in temperature levels. A steady recovery (after the cooler late Iron Age) from now, right through the 'Roman-British' period, only petering out somewhere around 350 AD. Mean temperature levels based on 'middle' England would peak at around, or a shade below those of the 'Climatic Optimum' of the Early Middle Ages & precipitation amounts overall were declining - though adequate. The climate would become generally 'benign' by the time of early years of the 1st Century AD, and eventually villas became bigger and built on hillier sites in areas we would not normally construct 'high status' buildings (at least until very recent times). Southern Britain in particular self-sufficient in wine (a staple of Romano-British life, not a luxury), and there is evidence of export of same, implying very good conditions for growth / ripening.
However, there are records (principally from the Roman occupation period), of 'severe / snowy' winters. This is a warning to us nowadays not to assume that a 'warmer' climate necessarily means we will not have 'severe' winters. Sea levels thought to have risen between 1 and 2 metres compared with before and after. 
120 - 114 BC (but see body of this note re: dating): Either a 'great' storm, or a series of storms in the North Sea basin. Sea floods, which affected the coastlines of Denmark, the Netherlands & Germany - if so, these storms must also have affected the east coast of Britain. These events are supposedly consistent with the change in temperature regime, as it implies alteration and/or intensification of jet-stream patterns etc., which often accompany major changes of climatic type - but read on . . . . . In many texts, the so-called "Cymbrian (or Kymbrian) flood" of the coasts around the German Bight is reputed to be responsible for setting off a migration of Celtic tribes. [23] (This is quoted by Lamb with the date range given at the head of this paragraph; but there's something odd here: the source is the Greek writer Strabo (living in what was at the time part of the Roman Empire), who lived ~63/64BC to 24AD, who in turn was quoting earlier writers (also Greek). In particular, Strabo comments upon the writings of Clitarchus (or Cleitarchus), who tells the tale of horsemen not being able to outrun an incoming (?flood?) tide and who is credited with living in the 'last quarter of the third century BC', or before 300BC. This means that this so-called 'flood' must have been some two or more centuries before the date given here! The idea of a single flood event setting off a wholesale migration is also difficult to comprehend - more likely a series of damaging floods / storm events, in the area that we now know as the Dutch polder-lands. This timing [ i.e. latter part of the fourth century BC ] would also tie in well with the suspected downturn in climate fortunes, with increased storminess across NW Europe and general cooling

 

 ~2200BC  'Major VOLCANIC eruption'. (possibly in/around Iceland, disrupting the North Atlantic and/or Arctic circulations). 
Bitterly COLD winters & indifferent, occasionally poor summers.

 

http://www.booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/histclimat.htm

[legrandefromage]

I, yes, I am the new weather God, bow down unto me!

 

I will bring in a Spring that has never Sprung before!

 

Daffodils in abundance! Primroses to make you weep!

 

Weather so balmy it will bring a tear to a potatoes eye!

 

Follow me weather citizens!

 

<runs off down the corridor in nowt but a stolen bath sheet - nobody follows, nobody is that stupid...>

[john pike]

tomorrow

 

a more noticeable but not too strong south west wind

 

rainfall

 

tomorrow morning looks dry

 

early morning mist fogg bits clearing quickly leaving a nice chilly but bright morning

 

by lunchtime

 

 

looks likely we will see light drizzly cloudy conditions moving in

 

around 5pm expect  rain to move in

 

some heavier bursts likely late in the evening

 

temps

 

will reach around 8-10 degrees

 

but will cool down later when the rain arrives

 

tomorrow night looks wet

 

not too cold when the rain is here

 

will actually get colder as we head towards monday morning rush hour when the rain clears

 

be back a little later with more

 

john

[Jason T]

14. If the history of Earth were compressed to a single year, modern humans would appear on December 31st at about 11:00pm.

 

 

http://www.distractify.com/geek/trivial-facts/12-astonishing-facts-that-will-warp-your-perception-of-timeforever/

[Keraunic]

I've just watched The Storms That Stole Christmas. They mentioned some 'effect' which causes the Jet Stream to move faster when something moves west to East instead of East to West. I didn't quite catch what that 'effect' was.

Anyone know, please?

It's blooming cold here and sky very clear.

[Jason T]

tomorrow's weather system. It will move SE towards us bringing rain, high winds, large waves and tidal surge

 

[Crepuscular Ray]

I've just watched The Storms That Stole Christmas. They mentioned some 'effect' which causes the Jet Stream to move faster when something moves west to East instead of East to West. I didn't quite catch what that 'effect' was.Anyone know, please?It's blooming cold here and sky very clear.

Not sure, but it might be Rossby waves.

[Keraunic]

Not sure, but it might be Rossby waves.

Ah, thanks, CR. I just looked that up and it mentioned a guy called 'Arvid'. That was it....The Arvid Effect. I knew it had been named after someone. Edited March 1, 2014 by Keraunophile

[East_England_Stormchaser91]

I've just watched The Storms That Stole Christmas. They mentioned some 'effect' which causes the Jet Stream to move faster when something moves west to East instead of East to West. I didn't quite catch what that 'effect' was.Anyone know, please?It's blooming cold here and sky very clear.

I'd have thought the extreme temperature contrast over N America would've played some part! Think it was something crazy with 10c uppers South of Montreal, and then just 100 miles North was -25!! 

[Crepuscular Ray]

I'd have thought the extreme temperature contrast over N America would've played some part! Think it was something crazy with 10c uppers South of Montreal, and then just 100 miles North was -25!!

 

Exactly.

 

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~dib2/climate/midlatitude.html

[john pike]

monday

 

 

very wet

 

very blustery

 

poss storms

 

hail

 

cold when heavy showers are here

 

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monday night

 

a real variable flow

 

rain

 

 

getting cold

 

rain

 

sleet

 

wet snow

 

take your pick of the above

 

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tuesday

 

a weak westerly flow

 

rain

 

looks dry

 

temps

 

 

looks a chilly one

 

around 6-7 degrees

 

may cloud over later in the afternoon

 

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wednesday

 

some very weak showery bits early and late

 

a weak westerly flow

 

looks mainly dry though

 

temps

 

 

around 10 degrees

 

cold overnight with risk of fog increasing

 

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thursday

 

 

a weak west to north west flow

 

looks mainly dry

 

temps

 

about 7-9 degrees

 

feeling a lot cooler than of late

 

sunny intervals likely

 

and again another pretty cold evening

 

ukmo at 144

 

 

dry breezy and feeling cold

 

mainly sunny but low cloud likely sout coastal regions

 

seen worse

[john pike]

london ecm ensembles

 

temps still cool

 

warms up around 8th-10th

 

but dont expect too warm

 

around 10-12 degrees

 

wind

 

 

breezy but nothing ott

 

gfs customary high wind in fi

 

rain

 

 

some rain tomorrow night

 

then a lot dryer

 

gfs from the 9th can be ignored for now

[Biggin]

Morning peeps, had some rain bout 30 mins ago but cleared up now. Enjoy your Sunday.

[Jason T]

Good morning everyone. Damp and drizzly outside, A whopping 4c and overcast.Nice to see much needed improvement in the output for warmer and dryer weather to follow later on next week.

 

 

 

Going to try and spoil you all with some pics again later. Have a lovely Sunday.

[Charltonkerry]

Morning all,, looks a nice, clear and sunny morning here in dirty Dartford. Today's the day of the great Leeds Castle wedding fair, just wonder how much this visit is going to cost me :-). The loving couple came round to visit us yesterday, and my cunning plan of suggesting a midweek wedding, was considered at least for 10 seconds before being rejected, it would have saved so much money. Her indoors told me not to be such a tight so and so, oh well, I'm sure it must be a common site to see father of the bride crying at these sort of events, mind you I'm the farther of the groom, I wonder if you can throw yourself of the parapet into the mote :-). Oh and it appear she the future bride, has changed her mind and fancies the main castle for the wedding, and reception. Help.......

At least it seems it might be a nice day to find out you are going to be bankrupt. In all seriousness they are a lovely couple and they deserve a good wedding day, they like all youngsters struggled to get their foot on the property ladder, and he's trying so hard to make a go of his oven cleaning business. I'm led to believe its always been her dream to have a fairy tale wedding, well that's hope that we can make her dreams come true.

Have a great day, shame I won't.

Edited March 2, 2014 by Charltonkerry

[chilly milly]

Aww CK, I am sure you are the perfect Fairy Godfather.  I hope the day goes well for you today.

 

Currently 6.3c here this morning which is quite warm compared to of late.  It's been raining at some point as my windows are wet.

 

Today we are going out for Sunday lunch today, so looking forward to no washing up afterwards.

 

Have a good day everyone.