Positive changes: What kind of lifestyle changes are or might you be making going forward to help the planet?

[Bristawl Si]

9 hours ago, weirpig said:

World  climate strike  day.  The day were thousands if not more around the world  strike  against  anything from  deforestation  to fossil fuels.   Will it Work?.  Who  Knows    but at least i now have a pattern that goes with a tragic plaid  pair of trousers my mother brought me last christmas 

Hundreds in Bristol centre today. Our local tv station interviewed some young kids, 13, 14 years of age - they werent particularly articulate about why they were doing it. I'm being kind....they didnt have a clue, other than spouting some fed-drivel about "we want to save the planet because the old arent bothered".

As a side to today's demos - we avoided Bristol centre today. We were going to go to Bristol docks for lunch and drinks via the train, but decided to avoid the hoardes protesting and got in the sports car and spent money in Tetbury. So because of the protesters businesses in Bristol missed out on £40, we polluted the air from here to Tetbury and back, and Tetbury pub got our dosh.

[cheeky_monkey]

2 hours ago, matty40s said:

I have been driving round the States in a Dodge Ram for the last 2 weeks, 19mpg all told....fuel at just $2.09 per gallon.

Many US wind farms are mothballed to keep the coal miners(Trump voters) in work. Trumps idea.

California has had its strict emissions standards suspended to give car manufacturers an easy ride and make cars less expensive. Trumps idea.

Us toilets are designed to use twice as much water as ours for a more powerful flush (cant blame Trump for this, although it's easier to flush away his bullsh17 with them)

If you go to Walmart or other supermarkets, you can have a separate plastic carrier bag for each item if you wish...from a laden carrier carousel at each till...at no cost. Trump was against the idea of a plastic bag tax.

The light bulbs(as above), being allowed to be continued to be manufactured and sold rather than more expensive more efficient and power saving ones introduced as the standard. Trumps idea.

Pulling the USA out of previously agreed climate and CO2 control plans. Trumps idea.

The USA under Trump, is clearly not just ignoring the dangers of climate change, they are actively encouraging their population to exacerbate the problems.

 

things are no different in Canada under the control of woke Justin Trudeau.so blaming Trump doesn't really cut it

Edited September 20, 2019 by cheeky_monkey

[Methuselah]

17 minutes ago, Bristle boy said:

Hundreds in Bristol centre today. Our local tv station interviewed some young kids, 13, 14 years of age - they werent particularly articulate about why they were doing it. I'm being kind....they didnt have a clue, other than spouting some fed-drivel about "we want to save the planet because the old arent bothered".

As an side to today's demos - we avoided Bristol centre today. We were going to go to Bristol docks for lunch and drinks via the train, but decided to avoid the hoardes protesting and got in the sports car and spent money in Tetbury. So because of the protesters businesses in Bristol missed out on £40, we polluted the air from here to Tetbury and back, and Tetbury pub got our dosh.

Sounds as if they actually do have a clue, Bris? But, I do admit that you yourself do a splendid job of articulating their views for them...?

As you make such a point of the protestors' inarticulateness, I took the liberty of making a few corrections/point-out some basic errors.

Edited September 20, 2019 by Ed Stone

[Guest]

Just now, Ed Stone said:

Sounds as if they actually do have a clue, Bris? But, I do admit that you yourself do a splendid job of articulating their views for them...?

As you make such a point of the protestors' inarticulateness, I took the liberty of making a few corrections.

As we see time and again. Those who claim to be greatly moved in the cause of humanity in general, are almost always found to be wanting when it comes to dealings with humans individually.

It would be far more encouraging if these kids - instead of being taught to show disrepect for the old - would instead be encouraged to pay visits to the elderly a great many of whom lead lives of suffering and great loneliness. They may also learn more useful ideas than the brainwashing that counts for education in schools these days

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Devonian said:

Whatever gives you that idea? Do you have any evidence for such a wild claim?

 

Its called History - but probably not something taught with any balance, accuracy or efficacy in schools these days

Learning from history is a very good idea - it saves making the same mistakes again and again - like a Dog going back to its Vomit - as Solomon puts it

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[Methuselah]

1 minute ago, nwextremeweather said:

As we see time and again. Those who claim to be greatly moved in the cause of humanity in general, are almost always found to be wanting when it comes to dealings with humans individually.

It would be far more encouraging if these kids - instead of being taught to show disrepect for the old - would instead be encouraged to pay visits to the elderly a great many of whom lead lives of suffering and great loneliness. They may also learn more useful ideas than the brainwashing that counts for education in schools these days

I'm 61, have an education and I agree wholeheartedly with the young ones...I can also spell disrespect!

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

I'm 61, have an education and I agree wholeheartedly with the young ones...I can also spell disrespect!

I stand corrected on the spelling. But arent we supposed to be more tolerant of spelling mistakes nowadays? I heard that examinars are not supposed to mark down work for spelling mistakes any more. It would have certainly given me a boost and made things easier in my day. After much hard work I also gained a BA(Hons) and have since acquired an MPhil and PhD - much to the suprise of various doubters

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[Devonian]

8 minutes ago, nwextremeweather said:

As we see time and again. Those who claim to be greatly moved in the cause of humanity in general, are almost always found to be wanting when it comes to dealings with humans individually.

It would be far more encouraging if these kids - instead of being taught to show disrepect for the old - would instead be encouraged to pay visits to the elderly a great many of whom lead lives of suffering and great loneliness. They may also learn more useful ideas than the brainwashing that counts for education in schools these days

You've lost me, how are they being 'taught to show disrespect for the old' and by who? And what is a 'woke'?

 

 

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[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Devonian said:

You've lost me, how are they being 'taught to show disrespect for the old' and by who?

 

 

The general view seems to be that 'young' is good and correct while 'old' is bad, blameworthy and wrong.

This is typical marxist/socialist thinking. That the world belongs to the young and that the young have all the answers and need to re-educate the old accordingly. Out with the old and in with the new be it institutions or people.

Edited September 20, 2019 by Guest

[Devonian]

5 minutes ago, nwextremeweather said:

The general view seems to be that 'young' is good and correct while 'old' is bad, blameworthy and wrong.

This is typical marxist/socialist thinking. That the world belongs to the young and that the young have all the answers and need to re-educate the old accordingly

Is it? Well, you've lost me again I'm afraid. I see no such general view.

Btw are your posts serious or wind ups?

Edited September 20, 2019 by Devonian

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Devonian said:

Is it? Well, you've lost me again I'm afraid. I see no such general view.

Btw are your posts serious or wind ups?

I am what they call a 'Binary' sort of fellow. But I find it amusing that someone not subscribing to the lunacies of the last few years could be so far off the PC/Woke message that folks think its a wind-up - hahahaha

[Devonian]

Just now, nwextremeweather said:

I am what they call a 'Binary' sort of fellow. But I find it amusing that someone not subscribing to the lunacies of the last few years could be so far off the PC/Woke message that folks think its a wind-up - hahahaha

Sorry, I'm still none the wiser about what you mean by 'woke'. is it a compliment or an insult?

[Methuselah]

4 minutes ago, nwextremeweather said:

I am what they call a 'Binary' sort of fellow. But I find it amusing that someone not subscribing to the lunacies of the last few years could be so far off the PC/Woke message that folks think its a wind-up - hahahaha

Why does one's being 'binary' preclude them from apprehending climate science?

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Devonian said:

Sorry, I'm still none the wiser about what you mean by 'woke'. is it a compliment or an insult?

How could being Woke possibly be a compliment? For nearly 6000 years, people have survived and done just fine without needing to be called or considered Woke

Being called a 'genius', a 'great authority' or an 'inspirational person' could be considered a compliment. However to be called an inspirational person in these times, will in the future come to be seen as not complimentary at all.

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[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

Why does one's being 'binary' preclude them from apprehending climate science?

Please explain to me why it is that in nearly every area of scientific discourse there is room for challenge and divergergence of opinion, yet with regard to climate science, there has been a continued push to exclude dissenting voices - some of them highly qualified and experienced scientists?

While there are those who cast doubt on global warming in general, I am not suggesting that.

What I am pointing out is the disparity between the small % of Co2 that is man-made or man-caused vs the enormous % that man has no influence upon. I am pointing out that if drastic, worldwide measures to cut Co2 were introduced, this would be cancelled out by a couple of volcanoes erupting per annum. And I am pointing out the minute fraction of 1% difference made by the UK to the global total of Co2

The idea that Man can change the climate is a massive hoax and a fraud

 

Edited September 20, 2019 by Guest

[Snipper]

I am sure that there is a problem with the climate but so far nobody has come forward with a reasonably antidote. Do we say all cars, fires, mobile phones and anything else that causes a global warming footprint is banned? I like the comfort of an open fire occasionally.  In an ideal world yes but there are so many factors out there that completely trash reasonable people’s wishes and efforts. Are the Chinese and others going to stop using dirty power stations and others stop burning forests. Too be honest no. 

All rather depressing that most people feel completely powerless in this world. 

I have planted 3 trees today. Should make all the difference.  Planted them to try and screen the 450 houses due to be built on farmland to the rear of us. 

Perhaps there will be a world pandemic.  That might slow things down a bit. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Snipper said:

I am sure that there is a problem with the climate but so far nobody has come forward with a reasonably antidote. Do we say all cars, fires, mobile phones and anything else that causes a global warming footprint is banned? I like the comfort of an open fire occasionally.  In an ideal world yes but there are so many factors out there that completely trash reasonable people’s wishes and efforts. Are the Chinese and others going to stop using dirty power stations and others stop burning forests. Too be honest no. 

All rather depressing that most people feel completely powerless in this world. 

I have planted 3 trees today. Should make all the difference.  Planted them to try and screen the 450 houses due to be built on farmland to the rear of us. 

Perhaps there will be a world pandemic.  That might slow things down a bit. 

According to recent reports, the Chinese are, on average OPENING one coal fired power station every week.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Snipper said:

I am sure that there is a problem with the climate but so far nobody has come forward with a reasonably antidote. Do we say all cars, fires, mobile phones and anything else that causes a global warming footprint is banned? I like the comfort of an open fire occasionally.  In an ideal world yes but there are so many factors out there that completely trash reasonable people’s wishes and efforts. Are the Chinese and others going to stop using dirty power stations and others stop burning forests. Too be honest no. 

All rather depressing that most people feel completely powerless in this world. 

I have planted 3 trees today. Should make all the difference.  Planted them to try and screen the 450 houses due to be built on farmland to the rear of us. 

Perhaps there will be a world pandemic.  That might slow things down a bit. 

Exactly - while the politicians and other elites are telling folks to panic about the climate change, they are handing out new road building countracts to their patrons and signing over thousands of acres of farmland and greenbelt to their housebuilding friends and party donors.

Green energy is simply a get rich quick scheme for well off landowners and big business. They get grants to put up turbines - despoiling the landscape for everone else - then they get given guaranteed prices on the energy generated (underwritten by the taxpayer) and then the taxpayer is clobbered again when in 25 years the turbines reach the end of their useful life and need to be disposed of.

Edited September 20, 2019 by Guest

[Blessed Weather]

Lots of post hidden in this thread this evening as they are off-topic and/or political. Can we please stick to what this thread is meant to be discussing - positive changes to lifestyle to help the planet. Thank you.

[Snipper]

5 minutes ago, nwextremeweather said:

Exactly - while the politicians and other elites are telling folks to panic about the climate change, they are handing out new road building countracts to their patrons and signing over thousands of acres of farmland and greenbelt to their housebuilding friends and party donors.

Green energy is simply a get rich quick scheme for well off landowners and big business. They get grants to put up turbines - despoiling the landscape for everone else - then they get given guaranteed prices on the energy generated (underwritten by the taxpayer) and then the taxpayer is clobbered again when in 25 years the turbines reach the end of their useful life and need to be disposed of.

So what is your cunning plan?  You seem happy to trash other people. 

[Methuselah]

38 minutes ago, nwextremeweather said:

Please explain to me why it is that in nearly every area of scientific discourse there is room for challenge and divergergence of opinion, yet with regard to climate science, there has been a continued push to exclude dissenting voices - some of them highly qualified and experienced scientists?

While there are those who cast doubt on global warming in general, I am not suggesting that.

What I am pointing out is the disparity between the small % of Co2 that is man-made or man-caused vs the enormous % that man has no influence upon. I am pointing out that if drastic, worldwide measures to cut Co2 were introduced, this would be cancelled out by a couple of volcanoes erupting per annum. And I am pointing out the minute fraction of 1% difference made by the UK to the global total of Co2

The idea that Man can change the climate is a massive hoax and a fraud

 

With all due respect, jumping out of the long grass and screaming, hoax, fraud, Ponzi scheme or WOKE hardly counts as 'scientific discourse'...

[Guest]

My view is that Climate Change fervour is similar in nature to Malthusianism and Marxist/Socialist tyrrany and that there are things that can be done to improve lives locally in ones own small area. If you want to save lives - visit the elderly, speak to them, give them time and respect - loneliness leads to illness which hastens death. To really care about people as individuals rather than humanity in general demands a lot more in terms of time, effort and sacrifice. But no group needs our help, time, company and efforts more than the elderly

[Devonian]

14 minutes ago, nwextremeweather said:

My view is that Climate Change fervour is similar in nature to Malthusianism and Marxist/Socialist tyrrany and that there are things that can be done to improve lives locally in ones own small area. If you want to save lives - visit the elderly, speak to them, give them time and respect - loneliness leads to illness which hastens death. To really care about people as individuals rather than humanity in general demands a lot more in terms of time, effort and sacrifice. But no group needs our help, time, company and efforts more than the elderly

Well, perhaps you should know I live with (and increasingly care for) my parents who are both well into their eighties!

AND, I am deeply concerned about what is happening to our planet. I follow the evidence (eg), I'm not part of a fraud, or a ponzi scheme or a communist/marxist, or a 'woke', or trying to start a tyranny, or seeking to imprison people and reeducate them. The evidence (about climate change, about species and habitat decline and loss), is (and I've thought about this for myself) is solid, all around us and frankly impossible to ignore.

And on the positive lifestyle front? My car is ten years old, has done 110K @ more than 50mpg, I last flew in the 90s, I have a bike I use when I can, i shop locally, I try to reduce plastic usage, I try not to sneer at people doing their best and I'm a member of various pressure groups (not of the party affiliations you've mentioned) but which I wont name for fear of reprisals.

 

Edited September 20, 2019 by Devonian

[Methuselah]

Although I'm steadfastly against using old-fashioned heat-producing light bulbs, there's one 'backward step' I would condone -- going back to having glass milk bottles delivered by electric milk floats.

[Snipper]

12 hours ago, nwextremeweather said:

 If you want to save lives - visit the elderly, speak to them, give them time and respect - loneliness leads to illness which hastens death. To really care about people as individuals rather than humanity in general demands a lot more in terms of time, effort and sacrifice. But no group needs our help, time, company and efforts more than the elderly

I visit the elderly every few days. My mother who is 103 and hasn’t a clue who I am. She recognises her parents and grandparents in photos but not my father nor me  

I do ponder what is the point of life going on for so long.  I find it extremely upsetting. Now off to pay the care home fees at a rate of £1,000 per week. As my mother was very prudent and held back buying much for herself she has some savings meaning no benefits. Seems she should have spent them on herself instead of saying there will be a little financial help for the grand children. They certainly need help.