Autumn 2023

[Summer8906]

14 hours ago, damianslaw said:

We saw in New Year Eve 2021/ New Years Day 2022. Mid to high teen maxima. Didn't feel great under the cloud wind and rain. 

And that is the key point. Extreme mild from about mid Nov to about Jan 20 is almost always accompanied by drizzle and horrendously low light levels. Exceptions are very rare.

I missed New Year 2022 (thankfully) but New Year's Day 2023 and much of the first week of the year was very similar. Exceptionally mild, dull and humid. Just one day when we had slightly more seasonable conditions on Jan 2nd when the sun shone and the temp "only" reached about 10C which at least is not in the silly range for midwinter.

Edited Tuesday at 13:35 by Summer8906

[Summer8906]

19 hours ago, Alderc 2.0 said:

I’d be very happy with every month from now till having a CET about 4C above. Not a single frost or flake of snow. 

The price of that though will probably be a lot of Atlantic influence and dull, wet weather. Would much prefer colder and drier - for me the second half of this January with its frosts and sunshine was infinitely preferable to the first.

14 hours ago, al78 said:

I agree the temperatures in the first half of September were ridiculous and uncomfortable (for me at least) and were what we should have had in July, but low to mid 20's is pleasant after a summer that has pretty much been a continuation of randomised wet and dry seasons that have dominated this year. I'll take what warmth we can get at this time of year as we are very soon going to enter the six month grot peried of the year known as October and GMT. Already looking forward to my hiking holiday in NW Scotland next May even if it will probably be another five days of clag out of seven experience like last year..

Knowing the frequent NE-ly setups of May and high pressure located well to the north, I suspect you'll have more luck!

[Summer8906]

17 hours ago, baddie said:

Its about time we have a March 2012 style heatwave in October, with 8 days of wall-to-wall sunshine. I think we also need a February 2019 type of heatwave in the first 7 days of November, including lots of sunshine but misty mornings. Who agrees

 

Absolutely yes. Lots of warm, sunny weather until the clocks change and then a change to colder after that.

17 hours ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:

Hoping for the coldest October or November on record. Summer has had its chance.

Warmest October on record followed by coldest November on record? How's that for compromise?

[Weather Enthusiast91]

1 minute ago, Summer8906 said:

Warmest October on record followed by coldest November on record? How's that for compromise?

OK, I will take that. 🙂 

[Calneee]

5 hours ago, alexisj9 said:

At the moment maybe, the coldies on this forum come out soon.

Don’t think I’ve ever classed myself as a hottie or a coldie on here before so I’m coming out💃😅… I think I’m a coldie!

Might be my age or having moved to a new build a couple of yrs ago but hearing the wind blowing through the bedroom windows this morning & feeling the fresh air was so nice. Sometimes it feels like what I can only imagine being microwaved must feel like in this house & there’s no way of cooling it down (other than air con). 2 Sundays ago it was 29* in the bedroom when we got up to go to a carboot & that was with all the upstairs windows open & 2 fans🤯

Don’t get me wrong, I much prefer it sunny & fresh & long for frosty crisp autumn mornings over this dank muck but new builds have a lot to answer for when taking into account the weather & it wasn’t something I’d considered when we brought here. 

[Summer8906]

14 hours ago, al78 said:

From my (distant) memory of family holidays in the Med I recall the heat was more of a dry heat whereas heatwaves in the UK tend to be accompanied by haze and energy sapping humidity that prevents overnight temperatures cooling down much, disrupting sleep and causing health conditions amongst the more vulnerable members of the population. 

Having spent significant time in the Med in summer I think it varies. It often alternates between very dry, less hot air with deep blue skies, and humid, more hot, hazy air with a less deep blue. The humidity is generally less intense than the most humid UK heatwaves (nothing I experienced this year matched June 11 back home - at just 23C or so - for humidity) but still noticeable.

From what I can make out the dry air comes in from the north, from places further north in Europe but after a few days it stagnates, the visibility lessens, and it gets more humid. Then after some time the next shot of drier air and deep blue skies will come in from the north again.

The other thing that happens if you spend more than a couple of weeks there is acclimatisation. This summer I have spent time there and for a while, the temp at which I felt neither warm nor cold got as high as 26C, versus about 22 at home. That's right, I actually felt slightly chilly at 25C in the evenings!

Edited Tuesday at 13:50 by Summer8906

[Summer8906]

15 hours ago, Metwatch said:

I'm a bit of a funny one with my preferences to cold weather.

I love the snow but I just hate the cold, so if there isn't any snow or crisp sunshine with that crunchy hoar frost, and everything covered in white during a cloudless day in a cold spell, I would rather it be mild in winter, temperatures into the low teens Celcius 😂

If it's going to rain in winter or just be cloudy, rather it be 12-14C than 3-5C and cold rain.

I may be odd but I actually prefer cold rain in winter. At least it's seasonal. 12-14c and rain just feels "strange" in December, January or early February.

In general I find that other climates even "do" rain and frontal systems better than we do. In central Europe in summer and southern Europe in winter the typical low and frontal system often has much gentler winds, a higher cloud base, less humid and claggy air (mostly cold for the location/time of year) and a much nicer, sharper clearance when the cloud does finally move away. Typically winds go round to the N or NE after the clearance.

We often get that type of low in the spring but rarely at other times of year.

Edited Tuesday at 13:55 by Summer8906

[Alderc 2.0]

10 minutes ago, Summer8906 said:

I may be odd but I actually prefer cold rain in winter. At least it's seasonal. 12-14c and rain just feels "strange" in December, January or early February.

In general I find that other climates even "do" rain and frontal systems better than we do. In central Europe in summer and southern Europe in winter the typical low and frontal system often has much gentler winds, a higher cloud base, less humid and claggy air (mostly cold for the location/time of year) and a much nicer, sharper clearance when the cloud does finally move away. Typically winds go round to the N or NE after the clearance.

We often get that type of low in the spring but rarely at other times of year.

Even I’d prefer snow over Cold rain. 1-2C rain with windy conditions is just the worst. 

[HafrenLMP1]

7 minutes ago, Alderc 2.0 said:

Even I’d prefer snow over Cold rain. 1-2C rain with windy conditions is just the worst. 

Having been out cycling in both conditions, I can agree that cold, freezing rain is far worse than riding in snow. In fact, it's horrendous......

[summer blizzard]

August MEI rose to +0.4, the highest August value since 2015 but a record departure between ONI and MEI values. 

August QBO fell to -0.2, the lowest August value since 2021.

August PDO rose to -2.4, the lowest August value since 2012 as we continue to plod along at near record seasonal/annual pace. 

August AO fell to -0.6, the lowest August value since 2019.

 

[danm]

The kind of weather we have today is horrid. Would much rather it stays fairly warm and sunny for as long as possible and narrow down the time we have where we can get plenty of dreary weather but no snow. 

Looks like we may get good weather next week. 

Edited Tuesday at 16:21 by danm

[alexisj9]

7 hours ago, *Stormforce~beka* said:

With T-Shirt underneath I take it? ...

Yep, would have been a jumper day without the rain.

[alexisj9]

7 hours ago, *Stormforce~beka* said:

Stop moaning it's perfectly useable. You jsut have to dress up in 600 layers to be ready for it ...

Well I used it lol, had stuff to do, and then also planted some heather for some winter flowers, between showers.

[alexisj9]

3 hours ago, Summer8906 said:

But remember that all of Australia (for example) and most other Southern Hemisphere countries are closer to the equator and have a much warmer winter climate than us anyway.

I suspect the chance of reaching 20C in the UK in late November, December and January in the near future without a radical climate shift is very close to zero as warm air at that time of year is inevitably as a result of drizzly, claggy, Tm and the sun is way too weak to produce summer like temps.

I do however expect 20C to occur in late Feb relatively frequently from now on, perhaps every 10 years, and sadly I do see an increase in the frequency of midwinter days with flatlining temps of 15C day and night, accompanied by permanent gloom and drizzle.

Yes agreed there South America hitting 40 in winter is equivalent to us hitting high 20s may be even 30, hopefully not, bet we'll see I guess.

[alexisj9]

2 hours ago, Alderc 2.0 said:

Even I’d prefer snow over Cold rain. 1-2C rain with windy conditions is just the worst. 

Yep, and often when a slider is providing snow down to the M4, guess what we get here, exactly that, strong SW winds with low temps. No thank you.

[stainesbloke]

53 minutes ago, danm said:

The kind of weather we have today is horrid. Would much rather it stays fairly warm and sunny for as long as possible and narrow down the time we have where we can get plenty of dreary weather but no snow. 

Looks like we may get good weather next week. 

Agree, today has been unpleasant in that vile wind, am in jeans and hoodie and still feeling the chill. Next week looking much more pleasant

[danm]

1 minute ago, stainesbloke said:

Agree, today has been unpleasant in that vile wind, am in jeans and hoodie and still feeling the chill. Next week looking much more pleasant

Yep, i know some people just like cool weather, even if it's windy and damp, but personally this is the worst type of weather. We are still at least 2 months away from any conceivable prospect of proper lowland UK snow, warm and sunny or crisp, cold and sunny with frost is much more preferable. 

[danm]

 

[baddie]

4 hours ago, Summer8906 said:

 

Absolutely yes. Lots of warm, sunny weather until the clocks change and then a change to colder after that.

Warmest October on record followed by coldest November on record? How's that for compromise?

They gave us an Autmnal March, we deserve a Spring-like November. If we cant get a Feb 2019 in November, we at least deserve another Feb 2023.

Edited Tuesday at 18:18 by baddie

[NEVES SCREAMER]

28 minutes ago, baddie said:

They gave us an Autmnal March, we deserve a Spring-like November. If we cant get a Feb 2019 in November, we at least deserve another Feb 2023.

Certainly short changed on warm sunny weather in 2023. Poor spring  Poor summer. In fact I am bored with the lows moving in from the Atlantic since 25th June. Same old. 

[markyo]

1 minute ago, NEVES SCREAMER said:

Certainly short changed on warm sunny weather in 2023. Poor spring  Poor summer. In fact I am bored with the lows moving in from the Atlantic since 25th June. Same old. 

Hottest June on record....If there was a coldest December on record with below average temps in Jan and Feb i was to say it was a poor winter....I suspect i would get torn apart. Just the same mate

[razorgrain]

Been raining almost non-stop here all day, a gusty day too. Oddly enough there's a mild feel once the rain stopped.

[NEVES SCREAMER]

2 minutes ago, markyo said:

Hottest June on record....If there was a coldest December on record with below average temps in Jan and Feb i was to say it was a poor winter....I suspect i would get torn apart. Just the same mate

But I was talking about spring and summer. Heat in June here was actually just warm from 9th June to 25th June. West Midlands had average rainfall in June.  August was drier !  You will have plenty of time to chat about winter 23/24 and whether it meets expectations or not. 

[markyo]

3 minutes ago, NEVES SCREAMER said:

But I was talking about spring and summer. Heat in June here was actually just warm from 9th June to 25th June. West Midlands had average rainfall in June.  August was drier !  You will have plenty of time to chat about winter 23/24 and whether it meets expectations or not. 

Your missing my point my friend.

[Metwatch]

5 hours ago, Summer8906 said:

I may be odd but I actually prefer cold rain in winter. At least it's seasonal. 12-14c and rain just feels "strange" in December, January or early February.

In general I find that other climates even "do" rain and frontal systems better than we do. In central Europe in summer and southern Europe in winter the typical low and frontal system often has much gentler winds, a higher cloud base, less humid and claggy air (mostly cold for the location/time of year) and a much nicer, sharper clearance when the cloud does finally move away. Typically winds go round to the N or NE after the clearance.

We often get that type of low in the spring but rarely at other times of year.

However strange it might feel, would rather wear a light jacket and sweater rather than my bulky winter jacket weighing like 3 kilos. I was in the Canarias during last Christmas, just perfect, low 20s and sunny most days, wouldn't know it was winter there (attached 2 pics of that below). Some places between 30N and 30S never see snow / frost in their lifetimes! 

 

Regarding the frontal system looks like you've described a Kata cold front, a weaker cold front, where there's a rapid clearance and warm air is descending. Ana cold front is the stronger and more active out of the 2. Quite common during dry spells In the UK during spring or summer.

 

Edited Tuesday at 19:09 by Metwatch