General summer chat

[LetItSnow]

 Frigid August 2020 was horrible for most I’d say. A week of way too hot weather then the rest was extremely wet. I’d argue June 2020 was the best of the three and even that was changeable. 

[Global warming my ass]

One should have lived in the southern Canada just look at this glorious stable hot spell over there right now, imagine this is what all of western Europe including Sweden would be like every summer without the cooling effect of the gulf stream.

[MP-R]

 raz.org.rain 2022…

[al78]

 Dare i watch the GFS 06Z minimum temps over 20C, terrible for sleeping without air-con. Daytime temps well into the 30's C, terrible for doing physical outdoor activities. Sorry, I'm failing to see the appeal here.

[MP-R]

 LetItSnow! I very much enjoyed the first 18 days of August 2020. It was thereafter that was a disappointment, starting with a horrible wet day on the 19th.

The first weekend was sunny and warm but low humidity, then mostly fine weather apart from a warm front on the 05th that ushered in the humidity that followed. Then the heatwave itself was impressive, more for the humidity than heat here as we maxed out at 33 point something. Then from the evening of the 12th until the 19th there was frequent thunder with sunny intervals and quite a tropical feel - a true summer type of unsettled, not like the autumnal guff in early July 2020.

The latter third of the month was a disappointment though.

[Global warming my ass]

 al78 Humans can adapt to heat within 4-6 days,it's however physically impossible to adapt to cold however since it's not within our DNA, that's why the same temperatures in mid-september feels quite cold but in may they feel way warmer since you haven't adapted to it yet.

 

The most optimal temperature according to consensus outside for humans has been set at 27c or 80f.

[Methuselah]

 Dare i watch the GFS 06Z

Really?

[legion_quest]

That seems very warm for me. Anything above 25c and I stop functioning! 

27 being an optimal...well....not in my house! 

[Seasonal Trim]

 Dare i watch the GFS 06Z "it's however physically impossible to adapt to cold"

 

"The Inuit have more blood flowing into their extremities, and at a hotter temperature, than people living in warmer climates. A 1960 study on the Alacaluf Indians shows that they have a resting metabolic rate 150 to 200 percent higher than the white controls used. The Sami do not have an increase in metabolic rate when sleeping, unlike non-acclimated people. Aboriginal Australians undergo a similar process, where the body cools but the metabolic rate does not increase."

[SollyOlly]

 Dare i watch the GFS 06Z I call bs...

[al78]

 Dare i watch the GFS 06Z Only up to a point. People die of heatstroke in hot countries. The upper limit for human habitation is a wet bulb temperature of 30C and some very localised parts of the world are now very close to this.

[Summerlover2006]

This month is looking like it’s gonna go down as one of the best examples of a month of two halves almost down to the day ever since the heavy rain of the 15th the weather has dramatically improved with a heatwave last week and a potentially extreme heatwave next week very interesting how things can change so quickly 

[Catbrainz]

 Summerlover2006 yeah this July has very strong shades of 2016 about it. 2016 also had a cold and wet first half then got warmer and drier in the 2nd half. 

[richie3846]

 Dare i watch the GFS 06Z I believe the adaption time shortens when more time is spent outdoors in general. I used to work indoors, and now work a fair bit outdoors. I've noticed my adaption time, and general tolerance/comfort, to arrive within a few hours of a change in air, say after a cold front, or a build in heat. I didn't experience this in the past, and would take a few days to adapt. This faster adaption took around a decade to reach where I am today. I think a lot of people struggle with it all because of the large amounts of time spent in temperature controlled environments. 

[Global warming my ass]

 richie3846 That sounds reasonable, but you can't deny the fact that people are way too heavy these days for their own good, you Brits are now the heaviest in western Europe which contributes to the problem of sweating and keeping your body in balance.

[*Stormforce~beka*]

 richie3846 This is interesting!

[Methuselah]

This is also interesting: 

 

[Froze were the Days]

 Methuselah I'll look forward to  2 fine sunny days and then the usual spots of rain breakdown and then back to blandness!

[Daniel*]

5 hours ago, Summerlover2006 said:

This month is looking like it’s gonna go down as one of the best examples of a month of two halves almost down to the day ever since the heavy rain of the 15th the weather has dramatically improved with a heatwave last week and a potentially extreme heatwave next week very interesting how things can change so quickly 

Nonsense and what extreme heatwave? I can think of countless better examples. It has largely been disappointing even though it has been dry in second half the final few days will not override anything. This is July we’re taking about the sunniest and warmest month on average. 

Edited July 26, 2024 by Daniel*

[Summerlover2006]

 Daniel* for about a week there has been a lot of talk in the modals thread talking about the potential of an extreme heatwave 35+ yes they changed today but they could easily come back do you not read the modal discussion thread and I think you meant talking not taking

[WYorksWeather]

 Summerlover2006 I don't think anyone has been talking about 35+, at least not as anything other than a fairly outlandish possibility. 35C is probably the absolute upper limit we could achieve in this spell of weather early next week, but 32C or so is perhaps more likely.

It depends on your historic context I suppose - by older standards that would still be quite impressive, but by our modern standards to stand out as a notable heatwave it really does need to achieve at least mid 30s, or if not achieving that, then to maintain high 20s to low 30s for a significant period of time.

It doesn't look likely next week anyway, more likely 3 hot days or so for the south, very warm days for more central areas and elsewhere nothing particularly of note.

[Weather Enthusiast91]

Spotted this beautiful caterpillar earlier on. Don't see many of them nowadays.

[raz.org.rain]

I assume it's mostly down to pure luck that we haven't seen an absurdly record breaking warm 850hPA hit us lately. A few have mentioned that we'll likely have our own PNW-style heatdome happen at some point soon, obviously it's not happening this year but it makes you wonder when the factors will line up for it to sweep into this part of the world as easily as it sweeps into France.

[WYorksWeather]

 raz.org.rain Don't think we can quite rule it out yet for this summer. The GFS 18z has the 30C 850hPa line into southern parts of Spain around the 10-11th August. In short, the ingredients are potentially still there if we get the perfect setup. Frankly, I wouldn't want such a pattern, but it would be interesting to watch it unfold.

I don't think heat potential really starts to ebb away until about the last third of August. Thermal lag counts for a lot, just how it takes until late February for the rapidly warming days to start to increase the mean temperature noticeably, the same is true at the opposite end of the year.

The CET average below shows this quite clearly, the averages start gently dropping around mid-August, but even by late August they're only at the same level as at the start of July, and nobody would ever say you can't get serious heat at the start of July!

One of the weird quirks though does seem to be that we lack many notable heatwaves in that part of summer though - it stereotypically provides a taste of early autumn, before September brings back summer for a time. Don't know whether there's a proper synoptic reason for it, or if it is just one of those random quirks, and at some point we'll get a 37C or 38C in the second half of August.

[al78]

 Dare i watch the GFS 06Z Well we've got to keep chasing America for those poorness statistics.

I am around average weight and historically have been slender nonetheless I still get hit hard once outside temps reach 30C.