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  1. 1 hour ago, Recretos said:

    Well, any type of copyright would not be very scientific.  Besides, the data is not mine, and also the software is not mine, so its not really possible to copyright just the method, even if I would want to.

    On a side note, I just noticed that after the last upgrade of the GFS to the dynamical core FV3, the model levels in the output grids got an addition of the 0.4mb level. Not a lot of forecasting power in it, but t will be interesting to see where the "lid" of the warming is. The graphic I made shows the 16-day change in temperature, a zonal mean. The warming is obvious and anomalous, but the core itself is cooling seasonally. There you can see addition of the top level.

    temperatureisobaricingfs.jpg

     

    Also, it's worth noting that the FV3-GFS has a polar upper stratosphere cold bias that develops over the forecast period, so this type of temperature change at those levels will be there almost every day (barring significant disturbances).

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  2. 3 hours ago, Recretos said:

    Well, I did extensive research back then, and true 3D simulations of the polar vortex were nowhere to be found. There were images of a 3D polar vortex, but in a 2D (cartoonish) style, and specific to research papers individually. That was the very reason I decided to research this field (3D simulation), and essentially (by my knowledge at least) being among the first (if not the first) to create operational 3D simulations of the polar vortex in 3 (4) dimensions (time) from operational model forecast data and reanalysis data (ECMWF ERA-Interim, NASA MERRA-2). That was already in 2013 I think, so Mr. Ventrice is almost 6 years late.  

    I'm not trying to take away from the great work you've done, but (admittedly, non-operational) 3D animations of the polar vortex have been made at least as far back as the early 90s. I know this because my PhD advisor, Dr. Gloria Manney made some of them: Figures 13-15 from the first (1994) paper below are associated with 3D animations of isosurfaces of the vortex edge and parcel trajectories that have been archived on ... VHS tape! This was back when 3D animations like these essentially required supercomputing resources (in this case, provided by the JPL supercomputing project!) Figure 5 of the second (2004) paper is also associated with an animation that is supposed to be archived online ... but unfortunately it points to a dead link (see text that says: "An animation of these isosurfaces for the entire simulation is given in the supplemental electronic material (http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/JAS3313.s1).")

     

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    Just realized these embedded links don't actually work, so: here's the first paper, and the second paper

     

     

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  3. 27 minutes ago, ALL ABOARD said:

    Just read online that the 10hPa 60N zonal mean wind is due to stay easterly for over 10 days and 

    ""This would *not* fit the criteria of a mid-winter SSW defined in Charlton and Polvani (2007). They specify events in which the zonal winds stays easterly for more than 10 consecutive days as final warmings.""

     

    Yeah, this was just a mistake that was posted on Twitter. The Charlton & Polvani 2007 paper specifically says:

    "... cases where the zonal mean zonal winds become easterly but do not return to westerly for at least 10 consecutive days before 30 April are assumed to be final warmings, and as such are discarded. This criterion ensures that following SSWs, a coherent stratospheric vortex is reestablished."

    The upcoming event will classify as a mid-winter SSW. How quickly the stratospheric circulation "recovers" after it remains to be seen, but forecasts (ensembles included) show it taking anywhere from 4-10+ days before circulation returns to westerly. 

     

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  4. 9 hours ago, Interitus said:

    Thing is, the March 2016 warming was the second strongest wind reversal only just behind Jan 2009, and probably because of this it ended up being a final warming. Dynamically however, it was a wave forced SSW, not a final warming induced by the returning insolation. Someone (might've been Judah Cohen) argued this exact point on twitter, but Amy Butler wasn't having it. Ridiculous that a weak SSW would count, but this one doesn't.

    Anyway, therein lies the point, classification really depends on the individual and why they want to know. For example, if studying the initial forcing and development of SSW, it isn't the best idea to include second in season SSW as they typically require less WAF - whereas the March 2016 would be a good candidate....unless looking for the effects on our winter when maybe all March SSW should be ignored. Then for strat-trop coupling there's the typical classification by split/displacement and minor/major warmings etc. Amy Butler mentioned in a tweet that the wind reversal is important so only considers major warmings. However, only at 60°N? The debatable one mentioned above from 1st Feb 2017 was a reversal from 62.5°N northwards in the NCEP reanalysis so counts for other people using 65°N. The various reanalyses in the SSW compendium don't match exactly in any case (and if using MERRA2 data the 2017 one should count). And then is having a 60°N mean of -0.01 m/s more significant than one at 0.0 m/s?

    Might be better to follow the example of Coughlin & Gray http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008JAS2792.1 who instead suggest that the stratosphere exists in a cold state ~90% of the time and warm state ~10%, within which there is no differentiation between major/minor but instead a continuum of warmings. This approach has also been applied to the classification of warmings by vortex geometry (eg Hannachi et al http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2010JAS3585.1)

     

    Just want to address two points here:

    Amy Butler agreed that the Mar 2016 "major final warming" was a wave-driven event, but since the circulation never recovered, it just cannot be included on her table of CP07 events. Amy Butler has never said that the CP07 definition for SSWs is the "best" or "standard" definition -- it's just one of many definitions, but it is commonly used in the literature (see her paper on defining SSWs, http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/BAMS-D-13-00173.1). I think her compendium of CP07 SSW dates is most helpful as a way to prevent errors in research & the literature; there are some small intricacies in the CP07 definition that do matter (see my next point below). I don't think her compendium was ever advertised as or intended to be the "definitive" list of events. 

    Regarding the Feb 2017 event, I think the reason it's not an event in MERRA-2 is that the CP07 classification uses daily mean zonal mean zonal winds at 10mb 60N. They specifically say: "The first day on which the daily mean zonal mean zonal wind at 60°N and 10 hPa is easterly is defined as the central date of the warming." (see http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI3996.1). If I wasn't on travel I would confirm, but since I can't, I would bet that averaging U1060 over the full 8 times per day of MERRA-2 would give a positive value. 

    If anything, the above goes to show how any definition can be inadequate in specific situations, but that's just a side-effect of being consistent (i.e., true to the definition no matter what).

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