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Yes, Cuenca and Soria are very cold in winter. Burgos and Teruel are also very, very cold. Look at these photos taken in NW Burgos, they are amazing, it looks like Siberia. These one was taken near Soria, three weeks ago, at first it was very cold but afterwards the weather became warmer and the snow dissapeared.
Thanks for the info/stats and those amazing photos!
It's easy to forget that it can get very cold indeed in parts of northern and central Spain. What is even more amazing is that cities as far south as Albacete have recorded -24C. That's pretty spectacular considering this city isn't too far from the Costas....According to this article, Albacete holds the record lowest temperature of any provincial capital in Spain (obviously excluding small towns and villages in the tables you quoted....):
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Now Now Now... what will Eden come out with? Could this be controversial?
-0.7C from Hadley.
Coldest Months in the CET Zone (1772-2010)
1. January 1795: -3.1C
2. January 1814: -2.9C
3. January 1963: -2.1C
4. February 1947: -1.9C
5. February 1895: -1.8C
6. February 1855: -1.7C
7. January 1776: -1.6C
8. January 1838: -1.5C
= January 1881: -1.5C
9. January 1940: -1.4C
10. February 1986: -1.1C
11. January 1780: -0.8C
= December 1890: -0.8C
12. January 1879: -0.7C
= February 1963: -0.7C
= December 2010: -0.7C
Only 13 Months have ever been colder in 238 years.
The first of this millenium...
...and the coldest in 24 years.
As cold as February 63'...
...and 1C colder than December 81'.
Historic, Truly Historic. If we get another one in the next 30 years, we will be very, very lucky. Cherish this month...
These figures show what an extraordinary month we've all just lived through! Like many others, I feel really luck to have experienced it, especially as just 3 years ago, all this would have been unthinkable.
Final figure -0.7, second coldest on record and just missing the coldest.
Annual figure 8.83
....And a sub 9C month for the first time since the '80s!
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It looks like the warm period since 1988 has ended and we may be entering a colder phase - so I will go for another cold year:
8.8C for me!
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A cold first and final week, milder mid-month, heralding a cold(er) February. I'll go for 1.6C
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Now THAT'S what I call a blizzard! Unlike the 3/4 inches that shut down Heathrow for a week.
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Im a little confused with something that I saw on BBc news. I thought records started in 1659, and that was the record that we were chasing, the coldest December in 350 years.
Then I read this:
"December is on course to be the coldest since records began in 1910, the BBC weather centre has said" Are they talking about the UK in general. as opposedn to the CET. And is it a case that the CET goes back much further than the rest of the UK? Thanks
They are talking about the UK national record which only started in 1910, as opposed to the CET records which do, in fact, go back to the 17th century.
I suppose the Met Office would rather use the national record instead of the CET to avoid accusations of being too England-centric. Another advantage of focusing on the UK record is that whether or not this December's CET beats 1890 becomes irrelevant. In other words, as far as the UK record (since 1910) is concerned this IS the coldest December on record. It is also much more satisfying for our sensationalist media to be able to say "coldest December on record" without having to add "since 1890.."
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Actually the London record is -16.1C at Northolt on 1st January 1962.
At least if this is anything to go by: http://www.personal....962_weather.htm
Maybe the January 1987 figure refers to Central London only?
It might be from the Met Office's rooftop station (which unsurprisingly always records higher minima). I'm not sure though so if someone could confirm the station, would be great.
2am update:
Northolt continues its descent, albeit at a slower pace....now -12.2
And even St James's Park in central London is now down to -5.2.
That means all London stations are now below minus 5.
That's quite a feat in December, considering that in most recent winters minima in central London struggle to fall even below minus 2.
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Lowest London minima -9.1c 1987 January.
Thanks for that. Which station was that? Heathrow?
Great, so Jan '87 is well and truly beaten as far as London is concerned!
What an exciting December we're having!
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16 Met Office stations below -10C at midnight, some sort of record? Pretty damn amazing either way, given that there have been whole winters in the past where -10C hasn't been reached anywhere!
Even London is dropping away like a stone - Northolt in north-west London is now down to -11.9C at 1am.
Temperatures at other sites in and around London as of 1am:
Gatwick: -11.0
Kew Gardens: -8.2
Kenley: -8.1
Heathrow: -7.3
Olympic Park South: -5.7
Hampstead: -5.0
London City Airport: -4.0
St James's Park: -3.9
If Northolt carries on in this vein, it could well rival, if not beat, some of the low minima last recorded within Greater London in Jan 1987 - can anyone confirm this? Mr Data?
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Super Typhoon Durian dumped 466mm (18.3inches)of rain on the Philippines!!!
At its peak the typhoon had gusts of 165mph.
According to more recent reports the death toll from Super Typhoon is now well over 1,000. 543 in the Philippines +740 missing/presumed dead and an additional 59 in Vietnam. The typhoon is now heading for Thailand, which is highly unusual at this time of the year.
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/a...1&cset=true
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6212580.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6201176.stm
video:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_ne...storyid=6198220
pics:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16003778/displ.../framenumber/1/
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I think I'll go with 17.2
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Here comes the "Hottest Month on Record" confirmation from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5233408.stm
Interestingly, the METO figure of 17.8C they are quoting appears to be the overall UK average rather than the CET. I'm wondering if this is because the UK average gives a much clearer picture that a record has been well and truly broken, with July 1983 quite far behind at 17.3C. As many of you have pointed out this is not QUITE the case with the CET record....
In fact, there is no mention of the CET whatsoever in the METO's press release...iffy records and close calls are hardly newsworthy are they? B)
Also of note is how UK-wise, 2003 was the equal-hottest summer with 1976, at least according to this BBC report. Now as far as I'm aware, 1976 is still the hottest according to the CET figures. Is this another case of the media, in conjunction with the Meto, manipulating "records"? Just wondering....
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I'll go for a cool June at 13.8 C.
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Despite the above average April, I think this spring will be cool overall.
So I'm going for 10.7 C
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Does anyone find it Ironic that everytime we get a below average month (apart from October 2003) the BBC mess it up;
March 2006 "0.6 °C above the 1961-1990 average, which is in the below average category. Coldest since 1996."
November 2005 "0.1 °C above the 1961-1990 average, , which is in the close to average category."
November was 0.1c below average
March was 0.6c below not above.
I've seen them do it before but never when we get an above average month. Yet the metoffice site never do it.
This couldn't be due to their mostly over the top Global Warming scare could it?
Oh, dear.
Write to them Optimus and ask them to use a calculator if they can't count !! Go on!
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yes and June is esp interesting as the other 2 summer months (esp August) are noticeably warmer drier and sunnier when comparing the 1961-1990 and 1971-2000 averages.
I set out below the stats for London for avge max temp, avge min temp, rainfall and sunshine for the 3 summer months. 1961-1990 first and 1971-2000 following :
June:
20.2 20.2; 11.0 11.1; 49.3 53.0; 189 180.6
July:
22.2 22.8; 13.2 13.6; 44.0 38.3; 182.3 190.3
August:
21.8 22.6; 12.9 13.3; 49.8 47.3; 179,8 194.4
Note the increase in August's sunshine: although it has only the 4th most daylight it is now the sunniest month and June is only the third sunniest month...
Regards
ACB
That's very interesting, ACB. So basically, in terms of sunshine distribution, it has been "displaced" from early to late summer. Temperature-wise, a similar displacement can also be seen, with August being almost as warm as July. In fact, if we only take into account the last 10 years, August is now probably the warmest month.
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I may have been slightly over the top about the 100 year average being closer to 1971-2000 than 1961-1990. Here are the figures:
The 3 figures are, in turn, 1961-1990 then 1971-2000 and finally the 100 year rolling 1906-2005 average
January 3.8 4.2 3.9
February 3.8 4.2 4.1
March 5.7 6.3 5.9
April 7.9 8.1 8.1
May 11.2 11.3 11.4
June 14.1 14.1 14.2
July 16.1 16.5 16.1
August 15.8 16.2 15.9
Sept 13.6 13.7 13.6
Oct 10.6 10.4 10.2
Nov 6.5 6.9 6.6
Dec 4.6 5.1 4.7
It's interesting to note that although most months have indeed warmed up, a few haven't or have even experienced slight cooling! I must admit I wasn't expecting this.
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I'm not surprised by these stats as the 1960s was generally a very cool decade (also in a non-meteorological sense
) . Note that no year in the 60s had a CET above 10C - it was almost as if the climate temporarily regressed back to the Little Ice Age. All seasons were distinctly cooler. However, apart from 62-63, no other winters were massively below normal.
I forgot to add that 1960s summers were particularly cool. 1969 was the warmest. If we had that kind of summer this year, it would be our coolest since 1993.
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It looks like the mild or warm spell you described at the end resulted in a cold but unspectacular CET of 7.2. In fact, April 2001 was nearly as cold. It really shows CET averages can really mask cold and warm spells.
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Not sure about the last comment- indeed, last year, Philip's predictions were consistently higher than the Hadley ones, although Hadley corrected theirs upwards shortly afterwards.
As far as I'm aware, Hadley's December CET was actually lower than Philip's.
Yes, that's right. Philip Eden's CET is on generally around 0.02 higher than Hadley's. The biggest disparity I've noted so far is from Feb 1986 (our last subzero month!!) , which was -1.1 according to Hadley but "only" -0.7 according to Philip. I'm sure others will find more. Curiously, Phil already has March 06 as 4.91.
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It's a shame about this month as it really deserved to be as cold as March 1987 CET and possibly cooler than that, AGW strikes again perhaps.
Were it not for this mild final week, this March could easily have been the coldest since 1970. It now looks like it will only be the coldest since 1996...
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To continue with the cold theme, I'll go for 6.4 :blush:
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Looks like my prediction is way too low now....
damn I hate these mild spells..after all the hard work the cold weather has put it this month, all it takes is five days of mild to kill of any chance of beating 1987 -
If the March CET ends up at 4.9 it will only be the coldest since 1996 and if it turns out to be 5.2 it will be only as cold as 2001 - boring! boring!!!
Sums up our "modern climate".
Why can't this mild spell wait one more week!? It has waited long enough...it could have held on for a few more days!
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3.3C for me if it's not too late!