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I am worried as well Damian. I also feel that in the future the four season pattern as we once knew it will be seen at best as "relative" or worse nonexistent. I also feel that spring progresses too fast these days and autumn progresses too slow.

I an dreading another long string of plus 10C "subtropical" nights this summer.

If we at least expect December 2007 to be cold we could do with this April to be below 8.0c since 2001's cold 3.6 December followed a cold 7.7C April 2001.

The reason I compared August 2006 against the 1960-1990 average was because I wanted to show that we don't get 'cold' months like we did yesteryear.

It could be 13 months above average now. I watched the Countryfile forcast and that useless-for-cold transitory Northeasterly isn't going to link up to the North Pole or Yakutsk, Siberia this April. Also the attending UK/Scandi Bartlett High just keeps swirling around the East Coast of Britain and will only let in the useless non-cold Atlantic westerlies again later this week so once yet again April 2007 will join the building list of warm Aprils and other warm months. At 16.1C August 2006 was below the 1970-2000 C.E.T August average of 16.2C however it was above the 1960-1990 C.E.T of 15.8C.

I suppose that in times of the rare Cold Surges (Northwesterlies) that sometimes affect Northern India in the winter the extremely long Northerlies transporting cold air from Russia to Northern India would be matched by extremely long Southerlies transporting warm air as far north as the Bering Sea (to the east of the long Northerly) and Scandinavia (to the west of the long Northerly).

July 1996, August 1996, July 1997, October 1999, December 1999, July 2005, August 2005 February 2003 September 2003, December 2003, December 2005 are other examples of months that have high maxima being countered by low minima thus resulting in 'mild' rather than 'very warm' overall C.E.Ts. A lot of the Mays since 1992 have had mild overall C.E.Ts instead of exceptionally warm C.E.Ts with the exception of Mays 1998 and 1999.

The warmest British April since records began... 12.5C.

Depressions simply passing over us from west to east don't necessarily gibe us months below the 30 year rolling C.E.T because the cloud cover will keep high nighttime temperatures high for example August 2006. For a truly cold month we need proper Northwesterlies ridging all the down from Greenland or some Northerlies and Northeasterlies from the North Pole.

The original spring forcast called for a Cool April 2007 however it looks like it could be a 'busted' forcast because http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=Y...nue_into_spring claims that the all of spring 2007 will be warm than average. Again more warm months...

Is it possible to get Northerly (Southerly) cold surges across the whole Northern (Southern) Hemisphere without any compensating Warm Air Advection elsewhere? If so has there been any examples of this?

Being in Kirkham, Preston the last time I saw lying snow in November was on 28th November 1996.

Below is a list of Januaries that are above the 1960-1991 C.E.T of 3.2C after 1899. There is an awful lot of mild Januaries in this list and there is also a wide range of mild C.E.Ts ranging from as 'low' as 3.3C to as high as 7.5C. NOTE: Some Januaries will share the same ranking number as they the same overall C.E.T. Ranking Year C.E.T Description 1 1916 7.5 Very warm 2 1921 7.3 Very warm 3 2007 7.1 Very warm 4 1975 6.8 Warm 5 1983 6.7 Warm 6 1990 6.5 Warm 7 1932 6.3 Warm 8 1989 6.1 Warm 9 2005 6.0 Warm 10 1974 5.9 Very mild 10 1976 5.9 Very mild 10 1993 5.9 Very mild 11 1944 5.8 Very mild 12 1938 5.7 Very mild 13 1923 5.6 Very mild 13 1930 5.6 Very mild 14 1949 5.5 Very mild 14 1957 5.5 Very mild 14 1969 5.5 Very mild 14 1999 5.5 Very mild 14 2002 5.5 Very mild 15 1948 5.4 Very mild 16 1906 5.3 Very mild 16 1925 5.3 Very mild 16 1988 5.3 Very mild 16 1994 5.3 Very mild 17 1920 5.2 Very mild 17 1928 5.2 Very mild 17 1937 5.2 Very mild 17 1998 5.2 Very mild 17 2004 5.2 Very mild 18 1943 4.9 Mild 18 1981 4.9 Mild 18 2000 4.9 Mild 19 1995 4.8 Mild 20 1902 4.7 Mild 20 1924 4.7 Mild 21 1926 4.6 Mild 21 1927 4.6 Mild 22 1913 4.5 Mild 22 1935 4.5 Mild 22 1967 4.5 Mild 22 1971 4.5 Mild 22 1973 4.5 Mild 22 2003 4.5 Mild 23 1900 4.4 Mild 23 1968 4.4 Mild 24 1962 4.3 Mild 24 1996 4.3 Mild 24 2006 4.3 Mild 25 1903 4.2 Mild 25 1939 4.2 Mild 25 1950 4.2 Mild 26 1904 4.1 Mild 26 1915 4.1 Mild 26 1934 4.1 Mild 27 1951 3.9 Slightly mild 27 1961 3.9 Slightly mild 27 1972 3.9 Slightly mild 28 1911 3.8 Slightly mild 28 1918 3.8 Slightly mild 28 1960 3.8 Slightly mild 28 1984 3.8 Slightly mild 29 1914 3.7 Slightly mild 29 1922 3.7 Slightly mild 29 1936 3.7 Slightly mild 29 1970 3.7 Slightly mild 29 1992 3.7 Slightly mild 30 1905 3.6 Slightly mild 30 1907 3.6 Slightly mild 30 1912 3.6 Slightly mild 30 1956 3.6 Slightly mild 31 1901 3.5 Slightly mild 31 1909 3.5 Slightly mild 31 1910 3.5 Slightly mild 31 1986 3.5 Slightly mild 32 1958 3.4 Slightly mild 32 1964 3.4 Slightly mild 32 1978 3.4 Slightly mild 33 1953 3.3 Slightly mild 33 1965 3.3 Slightly mild 33 1991 3.3 Slightly mild 34 1931 3.2 Average 34 2001 3.2 Average

Below is a list of Januaries that have had a C.E.T below the 1960-1991 C.E.T of 3.2 after 1899. NOTE: Some Januaries will share the same ranking number because they also share the same overall C.E.T. Ranking Year C.E.T Description 1 1963 -2.1 Very cold 2 1940 -1.4 Very cold 3 1979 -0.4 Very cold 4 1945 0.4 Cold 5 1941 0.5 Cold 6 1985 0.8 Cold 6 1987 0.8 Cold 7 1942 0.9 Cold 8 1929 1.3 Very cool 9 1917 1.6 Very cool 9 1959 1.6 Very cool 10 1933 2.2 Very cool 10 1947 2.2 Very cool 11 1980 2.3 Very cool 12 1908 2.5 Cool 12 1997 2.5 Cool 13 1955 2.6 Cool 13 1982 2.6 Cool 14 1946 2.7 Cool 14 1952 2.7 Cool 15 1977 2.8 Cool 16 1919 2.9 Cool 16 1954 2.9 Cool 16 1966 2.9 Cool 17 1931 3.2 Average 17 2001 3.2 Average

Thankyou Mr_Data. Yeah. Sorry about that. I wrongly assumed that when Trevor's webpage mentioned "Close to freezing" I thought he meant the daytime high which I then assumed would be something like the old 1960-1991 average high in November (9C).

Thankyou Summer Blizzard. Sorry heat lovers but I would like to see that cold, dry bright weather myself in future Julys. It is ashame I was wasn't born before 1986 otherwise I would experienced some of the coldest weather of the 20th Century.

According to http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/1965_weather.htm Northerly winds brought Bright, Cold and Dry weather to Britain in the first week of July 1965. It then says that temperatures were CLOSE TO FREEZING in the the Midlands on the 4th July. Unfortunately it doesn't specify exactly how cold the 4th July 1965 was. Does anyone know how cold the 4th July 1965 really was in the Midlands? I would like to know both the Max and Min temperatures for that day if possible. Thanks in advance.

I bet the overall mean temperatures even in those places were still above the 1960-1991 overall winter mean temperatures. Certainly the hot summer of 2006 would have offset those anomalies.

The slightly cool September of 1919 was also followed by a mild 1919/1920 winter. The cool September of 1952 and 2001 were followed by mixed winters (Cool Decembers but slightly mild Januaries and Februaries). p.s I certenly don't think it will snow at all this rubbish spring.

After a pathetic excuse for a cool August, disappointing autumn and winter I going to presume the worst and give March 2007 a C.E.T of 10C - The HOTTEST March on record. I have completely given up on hoping for cold weather.

Since every winter and autumn month since February 1997 has been a disappointment to me this was a hard choice so here a few mini winter highlights in this disappointing new millennium British climate from top to bottom:- 1. December 2001. At 3.6C C.E.T slightly below average and the coolest since 1996 and the last December to be below the 1960-1991 C.E.T of 4.3C. 2. January 2001. At 3.2C C.E.T average temperatures and the 'coolest' since 1997 and the last January to not exceed the 1960-1991 C.E.T of 3.2C. 3. Post Boxing Day snowfall in December 2000. This was the first and only time this millennium that there has been more than 1 day of lying snow in Kirkham, Preston. 4. 28th January 2004. Eventhough Kirkham, Preston missed the thundersnow event we still managed our one and only wintry cold wave that January which was a 'bonus' to me in that mild muck month. 5. Christmas Day 2004. The first white Christmas Day in Kirkham since Christmas Day 1995. This exceptionally short 36 hour Northwesterly toppler event just about saved December 2004 from being utter rubbish...

Bring back the cool 1960s please! I hate this new eternal summer climate that Britain now has!

Is it possible to get nighttime summer frosts without a Northerly?

Talking of mild spells in February. I had a bad dream the other night. I dreamed that when the recent cold spell ended - a record max of 20.5C/69F was forcasted for Southampton on the 9th of February!

Here are your poll options:- 1. 50 years 2. 100 years 3. 200 years 4. 500 years 5. 1000 years 6. 2000 years 7. 5000 years 8. 10,000 years 9. 15,000 years 10. 20,000 years 11. At least 1 million years 12. More than 1 million years EDIT: I am sorry I did a duplicate of this topic. I had a problem trying to set up this poll.