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This is MSM at its best!
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1 hour ago, knocker said:
The end of the 2017/2018 season is in and over 500 billion tonnes of snow/ice has been added to the Greenland Ice Sheet. If including figures from the 2016/2017 season there has been an increase of approximately 1 trillion tonnes to the ice sheet.
Danish Meteorological Institute: https://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/
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20 minutes ago, BornFromTheVoid said:
@soft lad What measure is "sea ice amount"? Is it extent? Area? Some other measurement? What do you think it shows and what happened after 1975?
Assuming it is a measure of sea ice extent, or something similar, do you know how the lowest value on that chart compares with recent low values in extent?If you want to look extra long term, perhaps you can spot where there was a big change is the sea ice coverage trend and what it may have coincided with?
The rest of your post is better suited to other threads, but, if you take the time to read some of the links and reports you posted, you'll find they contradict most of what you said.
I am fully aware of the contradiction and do not subscribe to it. The interesting part for me was that the cycle was documented. That doesn't happen much these days. The ice amount, extent, area of those charts I provided are not of interest to me, the cycles plotted are though.
As far as Arctic ice is concerned over the last 10,000 years there has only been more ice during the LIA. Although your chart is interesting it doesn't really show anything other than the more recent ice melt. To find out if that ice melt is impressive or not we really need to look back to see what ice levels have been over previous years. It is all good and well seeing the top and fall but how far did it reach to get to the top in the first place? I'm sure you get me?
Chart dating back 10,000 years.
With the AMO expected to turn negative over coming years this is why I am extremely interested in the Arctic Ice Levels this year the last few years and the two or three decades to come. Along with Solar (which I wont get in to here) a lot of the ice melt has a strong chance to be replaced during that 2 to 4 decade period and as you can see on the above 10,000 year ice chart, current melt isn't anything to be alarmed about. Where as yours does kinda look scary lol
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On 10/08/2018 at 17:01, Gray-Wolf said:
Sadly , Blessed, there are still those cheering the fact that we are not rock bottom and so ignoring the decadal trend in favour of 'yearly weather'?
Although this is the 2018 thread you have made a comment that I would still like to reply to.
1920's until mid 1970's. What's there? Nothing much apart from the ups and downs of multi-decadal trends
https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/5885458
1970's where NOAA and the gang prefer to start. What's there? Nothing much apart from the downward leg of a decadal trend and the potential turning point in 2012.
ftp://ftp.oar.noaa.gov/arctic/documents/ArcticReportCard_full_report2016.pdf
From your comment you seemed to struggle to understand those who cheer the fact that yet again this year we will not be at an all time low. Let me tell you why people like myself cheer these changes, as our belief is that we are only experiencing climates natural oscillation (as noted on 1st and 2nd images) and the sooner we see ice above the mean for 2 or 3 years it brings us closer to the day when we will witness the bursting of the 'man-made-global-warming-climate-change-bubble', which now pretty much has claimed all extreme weather and related events such as wild-fires, droughts, floods, hurricanes, unexpected cold winters and very brief and far from excessive heatwaves.
Anyway back to this years ice sheet which according to the DMI is clearly above the 30 year mean and since 2012 looks to be starting the next decadal oscillation.
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On 10/08/2018 at 17:01, Gray-Wolf said:
Sadly , Blessed, there are still those cheering the fact that we are not rock bottom and so ignoring the decadal trend in favour of 'yearly weather'?
On 16/08/2018 at 20:58, Blessed Weather said:Arctic sea ice usually reaches its minimum around early/mid September. But this year (August 16th) it's already below the minimums from the 1980, 1990, and 2000 decadal averages.
https://twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1030128092545576960
According to the DMI the Greenland Ice Sheet is comfortably above the 30 year average this August.
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22 hours ago, knocker said:
Yet the overall ice sheet is comfortably above the 1981 - 2010 Mean.
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Welcome to the endless circular debate!
I would have guessed you went for 3 from the way you phrased the options, an alternative would be:
1) The ones who are so far in denial that they cant accept other options apart from the one they blindly follow...
2) The ones who just want to "lets see" how it all pans out whatever the consequence and ...
3) the ones who in general accept the majority of mainstream science and are concerned enough to think it worth some level of action
on which scale I would put myself somewhere between 2 and 3 as well
I think if we ditch both of our 1)s we end up with a more balance view of the 3 positionsIn my experience those that attempt to counter the AGW theory are generally the ones that have been edited - however this is a subjective impression. It would be interesting to some statistics - graphs of graph tampering, as if we don't have enough graphs eh?
To prove the point on graphs debunking graphs.. and another example of where the pro AGW one has more info (spot the indication of 2004 temps)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm..._Variations.png
But to use a perhaps slightly dubious metaphore, a person doesn't have to wait until they have liver failure before being concerned that they might 'on evidence' be drinking too much.. (On the flip side lying in bed all night worrying about it to the exclusion of all else but not doing anything then getting run over by a bus because they weren't watching where they were going is a little on the pointless side too)
Trevw
thanks for your reply..and yes i do agree with many of the things you have said and i guess i am a 3
just believe that there should be a fair debate..not just a one sided one that makes me appear hidious for even contemplating the "other side"..
i find it very interesting to say the least...so much i do not understand..and the conflict in scientisits opinions does not help me feel that maybe there is a conspiracy here...prefer not to be so ..however i dont see proof either way to confirm all the hoo-rah and more conflicting graphs lol...
for me i guess only time will tell as im pretty sure that all the scientists out there will give up..change sides...or hope we forgot what they were talking about and start on climate cooling again lol..
i will read this thread with interest and thks for your reply
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Will the people on real climate be able to explain how during the last ten years while there has been a huge, tremendous increase in CO2 emmissions the Earth has cooled slightly? I don't see how this fits with their theorys.
first post on the subject on here,however have followed this subject with much interest. Bluecon the way i see it is ..there are a few camps,1)the ones who are so far in denial that they cant accept other options apart from the one they blindly follow...2)the ones who just want to "lets see" how it all pans out whatever the consequence...and the ones who believe that the whole AGW is a sham to allow the massses to fear the what if's
Im undecided what group i belong to to be honestmaybe somewhere between 2) and 3)..im still deciding..however i have never been easily mislead and do beleive some are trying to do this with AGW..there are so many unanswered questions..so much based on beliefs and hypothesis,
every chart or graph that you see out there,there will be one to counter act it or debunk it..not with the overal fact but with carefully edited bits to meet their motives..from what i have found out the globe reached its peak in temperatures many thousands of years ago..and although many ups and downs have occured since then it is gradaully a declining global temp.well before AGW
there are so many factors involved as to what happens with the global temperatures that i will not be so bullish nor arrogant to suggest that I have the answers,and feel it is irresponsible of those in the public eye and the media to push their findings as gospel and usher the growing uncertainty of many under the carpet...
yes lets have a debate in the media and openly discuss the "other side"..not just the one that many gain from..and they (scientists,media/goverments) all do gain from creating a problem that "might" have never needed such attention.Of course that will not happen...i am ready to learn..ready to be convinced....but to be honest i fail to see how anyone can be convicned either way when such conflicting reports exsist from people who are far more clued up than i...one thing i can be sure of is that well before we dominated this plannet and long before we polluted the earth..temperatures were higher than they are right now and we are still here...the earth,and everything around us is so complex..myself personally i would rather put my faith in the guy or gal that put this place together.. all the scientists in the world can hypothesis as much as they like but when money is made off the back of it ..i get dubious.
one of many links that allows me to sleep easily at night in the knowledge that temps have been here before and alot higher without our input..
http://earthintime.com/holocene.jpg
oh and please dont get me wrong i am not in favour of polluting the earth and believe that the money being spent now in hope of curing AGW could be well better spent on helping us switch to an alternative self effiecent fuel of the future.The air that we breath is precious..yes lets keep the world clean of as much pollution as possible that is just obvious,unlike AGW!!!.....my point is what will happen in say 10 yrs time if we have the situation where the rest of the scientists flip sides and want us to believe that we need all the co2's to combat global cooling?..what then? yes i know as a human race we are all easily lead to a certian point but are we really that stupid to live our lives in fear of something that is not PROVEN!!!!
thanks
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Excellently thought out first post, almac.
I just wonder how many more lurkers or posters agree with your sentiments.
another lurker here lol..add me to the list...i found it so refreshing to actually watch a program with a different view...also liked the bit about all the volcanos out there produce more co2 than all other living beings including cars and factories etc...for me i liked it as yes it presented to me what i believe to be taking place so i have to be happy!..as one of the guys on there said ..yes to global warming but not down to co2 or human input...from what was shown i firmly believe this to be the case..and i for one believe they put across a more convinceing representation compared to the pro GW guys!!!
as one member said on here it would be nice for the pro gang to come back with a program of their own to refute some of the statements such as the co2 which for me is as in the title of the program a SWINDLE!!!!......the media...the goverment..majority of scientists all jumping on board to the buzz phrase global warming...to get what THEY want!!!.......cant argue with what they have found...co2 has little if any impact on GW..another media fuelled craze to brain wash the masses for their own gain........next stop BIRD FLU!!!!!!!
just my take!
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getting batered here by snow heaviest i have seen in years im a bit concerned about my dad getting back from work heres a few pics enjoy!!
nice pics!!!
hey, when you were saying earlier how big the flakes were cradley way.. it was still light and was so for another hour until it started to batter it down lol...my point your like what 10 mins max from me in car..and it took an hour...maybe it is already showing signs of slowing down....over the snow capital of the UK lol
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howdie same here 0c right now....
looking way better than it did last night...looking at the radar i think we could be on for more than yesterday TBH
just started to snow here near bilston...only light ...but it looks like an all day dumping (lol) on the cards...and most of night also according to the beeb!!
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clouds looking full of snow again here not got above 0c!!
howdie same here 0c right now....
looking way better than it did last night...looking at the radar i think we could be on for more than yesterday TBH
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ye i did looks quite heavy again too, we could get another 5cm quite easily i would think
yeah, lets hope so ..one to keep an eye on i guess....another 10cm would be great on top of what we have now..who knows???
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Welcome to net-weather.
Hope you got a decent snow fall out of this 'event'.
thanks...yes a decent 10cm...which helped make a very strange looking snowman!!
ill probalby lurk more times than not...hard to break old habbits.must be 2 yrs now or maybe more of checking in !!
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i notice your in bilston im not to far away in sedgley i got 13cm by the time it all stopped how about you
only 10cm here ..but serious drifting lol of 15cm......
great day !!
did you see that bbc forecast i mentioned about snow late tommorow in to sat ?....another day like today would be awesome
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a warm welcome from me lol
thanks been a lurker for sometime now and after today ..well got that extra adrenaline buzz lol
Welcome to NW.A case of clearing skies for your location tonight. The area of precip you see on radar may stay to the SW of you so a mainly cloudy,cold day for tomorrow. There could be a chance of further snow but this is likely to turn to rain once milder air sweeps in.
Hope this helps.
cheers seems a fun place generally lol..a bit tetchy last night whilst i was lurking ....all in good fun....yes good outcome today just wasnt sure if that approaching system was what i caught a glimpse of on bbc for tommorow late pm in to sat...
ill take the rain if i can have another day like today...
thanx again lets hope for more of the same!!!..
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I remember going to school during the blizzards of 79 and the snow had drifted to the roof of the school and you simply couldn't get access into the school.
One of these days a similiar blizzard will occur and it's not a case of if but when and I simply cannot wait until that day arrives to make people realise this wasn't a snow event but a light-moderate snowfall.
hey there first post just joined
..live wolverhampton way...a good all day for us today...and just found this which hopefully wil lbring us a good amount soooon!!http://www.meteox.com/h.aspx?r=holiday&...oop3uur&URL
looks like its quite intense...some reds in there....maybe a repeat performance!
I think if we ditch both of our 1)s we end up with a more balance view of the 3 positions
im a bit concerned about my dad getting back from work heres a few pics enjoy!!
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Try replacing NOAA's estimated global temperatures with error bars..see how much of a correlation there is then...