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We just passed the Perihelion, when Earth is closest to the sun. This is when NZ records its highest UV values. Wellington is hitting 12 each day now.
As you can see, for about 4-5 hours every sunny day from November - February, the sun in central NZ is stronger than has ever been recorded in the UK. It's probably more like 5-6 hours and October - March in northern NZ. Even in early November in northern NZ, the peak UV index is already higher than has ever been recorded in the UK.
Effectively, a 25C day in NZ does not feel like a 25C day in the UK. One reason is the sun (you cannot really "enjoy the sun" in the same way you might in the UK); another reason is the ability to get higher dewpoints. But that depends on location, and NZ is also capable of getting lower dewpoints than the UK in decent foehn wind situations.
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Does anyone have any functioning AAM or torque monitoring sites anymore? All the usual suspects stopped working around June. Thanks.
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The New Zealand Meteorological Service offers a Master of Meteorology as part of its trainee meteorologist course: https://about.metservice.com/our-company/careers-and-job-opportunities/trainee-meteorologist/
It might be complicated without an NZ/Aus passport or an NZ work visa though.
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On 2/20/2018 at 04:52, noonoo418 said:
It caused a fair amount of damage in Samoa (flooding primarily) and American Samoa as well I believe. It is indeed a blessing no-one was killed. Let's hope the remnants don't cause you guys too many issues.
There is a live thread here: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101542667/live-cyclone-gita-nears-new-zealand
Some locations in the upper South Island received 50mm of rain in an hour yesterday.
In just 18 hours, Kaikoura recorded one third of it's typical annual rainfall!
Westport had easterly gales, gusting 60 knots. Westport is a pretty wild, windy place but is not accustomed to easterly gales - they tend to be very damaging.
There's also lots of snow to 1000m or less in the lower South Island.
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Cyclone Gita last week moved directly over Tonga's main island, incredibly causing no fatalities.
It's still classified as a TC at 33S, though will transition soon.
It crosses New Zealand on Tuesday, bringing extreme weather.
As is often the case with these former cyclones, it brings up cold air the time of year.
Below is some GFS guidance showing the incredible 850hPa temperature contrasts: 23C in the warm core of Gita, and 0C just 500 miles south. A 23C 850hPa temperature gradient from the north to the south of the South Island!
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A quick look at the ECMWF model for Monday evening suggests that there could be a period of snow to lowish levels ahead of the approaching occluded front. It may turn to rain behind it though for low lying areas.
The contours are a forecast snow level which dynamically changes based on how heavy the model precipitation is (heavier snow can penetrate closer to the ground). The front moves through after dark.A separate feature moves through Scotland on the weekend bringing a convincing signal for snow to low levels in the west.
Imagery ECMWF via MetraWeather.
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On 1/1/2016 at 9:35 PM, Timmytour said:
Weren't there times in previous runs where it had all those places being above average for the week 4th-10th January as well?
I think so, yes.
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The temperature news from the latest EC32:
Below average for 4th - 10th, then above average thereafter. It also makes all of northern Europe, eastern Europe and half of Russia above average as well.
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17 hours ago, Polar Maritime said:
It aids to push the PV to lower latitudes and disrupts it's normal momentum by splitting the Jet. As we have seen in recent days this is were the models struggle as to where and how much effect this has creating wild swings in the outputs.
Not a personal criticism but I find this, along with almost all discussions of AAM to be a bit "hand wavey". I don't understand many of the mechanisms behind AAM and how it affects or is affected by the weather and no explanations I've seen quite cut it.
I would ask:
1) WHY does it aid to push the PV to lower latitudes? What's the mechanism?
2) HOW does it split the jet? Why would an increase in AAM split the jet?
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11 hours ago, Singularity said:
Why does an increase in AAM help disrupt the polar vortex?
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4 minutes ago, Borei said:
Those of you who like to base analysis primarily on ensemble means might like to remember Ian's well made point a little more often.
Using the mean along with well calibrated probabilities is quite sound in many situations. The mean smooths things out, the probabilities tell you about what's been removed by the smoothing. If you care about cold spells, you can do things like showing the mean and % of members showing 850hPa T < xC. Even 5% will then provide you with a hint. Cascading probabilities of multiple thresholds and parameters then give you a pretty good view of the ensemble.
My only wariness of stamp maps themselves is that you are overloading the human with information and they may sometimes filter it out subconsciously. Clustering is probably superior IMO, unless you are looking at a very specific feature, in which case stamp maps are the king (I remember seeing ECMWF stamps for a famous low in 1999 or something like that, it was very interesting).
Bad times to use the mean are if you have very distinct possible outcomes, with the mean simply provided a physically meaningless and non-representative "MOR solution". In this case it's very dangerous, and misleading. But it's also rare.
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16 hours ago, CreweCold said:
RE ensembles...which is why they're next to useless.
This is just hyperbole. The meteorological (both operational and research) consensus is strongly in favour of ensembles. They are not crystal balls but they are essential to forecasting.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wea.2069/epdf
" Practical experience and statistical verifications indicate that the average (or median) output from the ensemble is indeed the superior provider of ‘the most likely outcome’. The spread around this average tells how much trust can be put into this output, and, converted into probabilities, can warn about high-impact weather developments. It would therefore be quite possible to base the entire weather forecast guidance on the EPS. "
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I had a look at the ECMWF Extreme Forecast Index for temperature in Days 10-15. Not even a hint of cold even over Eastern Europe and Russia. I found that pretty surprising, it looks cold even on the ensemble but maybe it's going to be relatively cold compared with now, but still fairly nea average....
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10 hours ago, s4lancia said:
Thanks, I am familiar with confirmation bias. I can't argue that the fact that the mean of the ENS suite fluxuates to the same degree as Op runs do, of course not, but (perhaps poorly) the point I was trying to make is that on numerous occasions the ensembles have proved as useful as a chocolate fireguard, predominately clustered (with or without the Op) for days on end only for them to switch, job lot, overnight and point to a completely different scenario.
Don't get me wrong, when looking out for the next cold spell I always take in the Ens data, they very much have their place but I would take op + control over the ens every day of the week. By which I mean if the op and control show one thing and the main Ens cluster another, I know where my money is going.
That's probably a sound strategy in some situations but not in all situations. The difficulty is in knowing what kind of situation it is to begin with
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11 hours ago, swilliam said:
Ensembles and their means are averages so as you say are not prone to swings. They are extremely useful if the weather turns out to be near average as of course it often does. However when the weather deviates far from average then ensembles are well pretty average at predicting this. This has been highlighted IMO by this month which has been exceptional by any standards. However I do not recall any extended products predicting this level of extreme temperature excursion. Extended range forecasting based on ensembles is good at saying it will be a bit colder/warmer wetter/drier etc but in terms of predicting significant deviations from this are currently fairly poor. So if you are looking for any kind of significant deviation from the norm the ensembles IMO are not that helpful - only in identifying trends. I tend to use them as many do on here as to what the possibilities are going forward are rather than what they are showing as a mean as that is nearly always not far from average (or the default zonal set up). The current situation is a good example of this. There is clearly potential; for a significantly colder/drier spell but based on ensembles you would not state this publicly in forecast (if that is what you do professionally). Hence the current forecast from Meto but to most people what is stated means there will not be any significantly colder weather in the next month. So if it transpires that there is then this will be a busted forecast as far as most people are concerned.
On a separate note as a physical scientist in another field it seems strange to me that modelling is done by feeding in what is effectively adjusted (or duff) data and seeing what the result would be (i.e. the ensembles) and then take an average as prediction.
Essentially agree. Always will be hard for ensembles to pick the extent of the extremity, but the ECMWF do have their Extreme Forecast Index which is pretty good. The way they decide how to "duff the data" is quite interesting in itself (and way beyond me). I think they invest a lot of computing time into picking which things to perturb, and where they should be perturbed. If the atmosphere weren't chaotic, and if we could analyse it perfectly, would be no need to duff things up
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Just now, s4lancia said:
Good grief, it's hardly 'folklore', I have seen it with my own eyes on countless occasions. Your previous comment that probably 100-200 members are ideally required speaks volumes...
Happy Christmas to everyone!
That's called "confirmation bias". Ensembles aren't perfect and they are underdispersive. That's what you need 100-200 members for. They are NOT "as prone to flipping as the op". Science backs this up.
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13 minutes ago, s4lancia said:
As others have quite rightly said, the Ens as a whole are as prone to flipping as the op, which naturally somewhat negates their usefulness!
There's no solid evidence to back up such opinions.
You need to be careful with netweather forum folklore. Not specific to NW of course; it's a human trait.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2009MWR2960.1
One thing the EC always try to drum home is that model jumpiness does not correlate to accuracy. That's important but doesn't make our job muchy easier.
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5 minutes ago, CreweCold said:
On the flip side, are the ensembles any more likely to pick up the correct solution than the op? I dislike ensembles with a passion, I've seen too many flips, too many flops and I get the impression that sometimes rather than 1 op run getting the wrong idea, you get a whole suite full of the wrong idea. Just my opinion though!
Not an individual ensemble member, no. You would always expect an ens member to be worse than it's op. Their power lies in considering them as a family. The idea is that they represent initial uncertainty in the atmosphere well enough to also forecast future uncertainty. Doesn't work quite that well in reality* but they aren't bad.
Deterministics flip and flop much more frequently than ensembles.
*ensembles are usually underdispersive which means they never quite capture or forecast the full extent of uncertainty in the atmosphere. But they do a better job at uncertainty than deterministics. I heard 100-200 members would be needed realistically - which is beyond even the ECMWF right now!
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4 minutes ago, kumquat said:
The heart of the push of WAA is seeded right here, right now. The 965mb storm over Baffin. Combined with other drivers this could be our sanctuary. This isn't FI. This is now. This is where the mathematical equations take us. Plenty of reason to be positive.
Likely a huge area for error propagation, which the equations don't explicitly handle. That's what the ensembles are for. This is why neither the GEFS nor EC Ens are very excited by this at all:
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Most EC ensemble members have the block dead or too far east by 8th January. Nothing too exciting on the EC ensemble except a colder spell around New Years, though the det is on the cold side of the ensemble members in that regard.
EC clusters most of its members around New Year in the "Positive NAO" camp, only about 20% in the "Blocked" regime, and even they die following that time period.
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The newest EC32 has come through, and there are no explicit changes. Still westerly and mild till the end of January. The t2m warm anomaly seems to be a little stronger and larger over Europe than in previous runs.
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I concur.
I really do think 2 weeks forward is all we can hope to forecast out to, with any degree of confidence. This will never change (At least for the moment
)What does excite us is the potential for the coming winter. There is the strong El Nino, the cooling of the North Atlantic. It is a long time , if I remember correctly, of High pressure being so dominant in October, and a very cold and snowy eastern Europen continent.
So fingers crossed for a colder than normal winter.
There were decent chunks of high pressure dominated weather in October 2013 I think.
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1998 has the interesting presence of anomalously high 500mb heights over Greenland and into Scandinavia for the period Nov-Jan, which fades to neutral when looking at the Jan-Mar period. This suggests that blocking can't be ruled out for at least part of the winter even if we do follow a path similar to 1998. That said, the positioning is another matter as far as seeing some decent cold, snowy conditions.
Yes, it looks like despite that anomaly, Nov 97, Dec 97 and Jan 98 all came in above average for the whole UK.
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Going in the other direction down here. Clear sky UV index around 6-7 across the North Island as we move into April. Pretty much high summer values for the UK.
This time of year is generally much better for everyone I think. When the UV index hits 12 or 13 (sometimes 14) every day from late Nov to late Jan, it really isn't fun to be in the sun too long!
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New 48hr Rainfall Record for New Zealand (1086 mm)
in Hurricanes, Cyclones and Extreme weather worldwide
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At Cropp River, on the west coast of the South Island, 1086 mm was recorded in 48 hours. For perspective, Christchurch, which is about 100 miles east of the site, recorded <1 mm in the same period.
This is enormously larger than any of the UK's 48, 72 or 96 hour records (all of which are a measly 400-500 mm). It's not really that far off Britain's highest monthly rainfall total of 1396 mm!
New Zealand's calendar month record is currently at 2927 mm (or 3813 mm if you allow for any 31 days period). Since March has had a very long dry spell, Cropp may not be able to beat its current monthly record.