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Wha... As if that is going to happen. It will move further eastwards eventually or disappear completely.
Or drop south....
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It's worth studying Ian. I completely agree with that but let's stop turning things into a pantomime. It may be a 'spectacle' but rather than looking forward to the party like has happened in the past, why not discuss it in a way to help people understand without people having to wade through the waffle?
It isn't a party and most of us would like to know what is happening without the 'sound bites'. (quote quote quote quote)...............
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Let's see how this now presents in a 'Modern Arctic'?
There's that 'modern' word. Let's not go down that route. There is nowhere on this planet called 'Modern Arctic' and it tends to come round and bite people on the bum when misused.
Just thought I'd let you know.....
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Discovery Channel will air a special tribute Storm Chasers on Saturday 15th June
Discovery Channel would like to put this page up in Memory of Storm Chasers Tim Samaras and Carl Young and Paul Samaras, three members of Discovery’s Storm Chasers who perished in a tornado outbreak in central Oklahoma on Friday, 31 May 2013.http://www.discoveryuk.com/the-loop/in-memory-of-storm-chasers-tim-and-paul-samaras-and-carl-young/
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Speedy recovery Quentin. Wishing you all the best.
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I've actually gone for 3.8 too without reading the thread so I don't think we're too far away with our general thinking. It would be good to see a larger extent but I don't think it's going to be over 4 for a good few years if there is sign of any real recovery because even if the summers are below average regarding temperatures, there is a lot of ground to cover due to sea temperatures. Never say never though......
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We're starting to move away from the topic and while some drift is acceptable I think we're drifting into a general rag chew.
Please stay with the topic.
Back in the 70's prior to the current alleged consensus of AGW climate scientist were adamant of an ice age being around the corner, now we know how that ended could the answer to the question of why they felt this be a simple one.
IMO climate scientist were basing their ideas on a simple phenomenon the PDO, during this period the PDO was in its negative phase this combined with a negative AMO lead many climate scientist into thinking an ice age was looming, why god only knows. Fast forward a decade later and that same phenomenon combined with the centuries highest solar output gave rise to what has now become that what shall remain nameless.
Fast forward again and we now have a negative PDO although the AMO remains positive and the lowest solar output for nearly a century, now we can witness first hand just which will prove the greater forcing. The outlook for proponents off AGW isn't looking very promising to be honest, lots of forecasted scenarios simply haven't materialised such as more hurricanes and snowless UK winters add to that the projected temp rises which are constantly being adjusted to either show we are warmer now than we where during the MWP, or the constant amendments to future rises in temps due to the fact that all previous forecasted rises haven't hit their targets today.Ta muchly
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I am finding myself agreeing with much of what you're saying here GW. Never say never....
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Just come across this article about the EF4 in Bennington, Kansas. Apparently it just sat there....
How a large, violent tornado stood still for nearly an hour (Bennington, Kansas)By Jason Samenow, Published: May 30, 2013 at 4:22 pmE-mail the writer
The large, violent tornado that touched down near Bennington, Kansas Tuesday hardly moved over the course of an hour – astonishing meteorologists and storm chasers used to twisters plowing ahead at swift forward speeds.
“I have never seen such a stationary tornado, especially not for so long and for such a violent tornado,†said Joshua Wurman, a meteorologist at the Center for Severe Weather Research. “The tornado is moving less than 2 mph for a while, and changes direction, dwelling over the same areas for a long time.â€
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I'm stunned. My sympathies to the families of Tim and Paul Samaras and Carl Young. I think that being researchers in the science behind tornadoes and the storms that drive them makes this kind of loss a very real possibility. It is now, unfortunately, a very real reality. I've followed Tim's work for a few years and I'm sure this research he did will save countless lives in the future. Very sad news though.
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This thread is for people who believe that climate change is not man made. Please read Paul's opening post.
This does not affect the rest of the threads in this part of the forum.....
This is for like minded people to discuss other than man made climate change without any input from the people who do believe that climate change is man made.
It is that simple that even primary school kids can follow that instruction.
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This thread is for people who believe that climate change is man made. Please read Paul's opening post.
This does not affect the rest of the threads in this part of the forum.....
This is for like minded people to discuss man made climate change without any input from the people who do not believe that climate change is man made.
It is that simple that even primary school kids can follow that instruction.
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And where exactly does anything say anywhere that the condition of the ice is definitely down to AGW? By repeatedly saying it is over and over and over doesn't make it true.
*Stands back and waits for the soap box to make an appearance*
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Many thanks for the replies.
As BFTV said over in the Arctic ice thread, at the minute it's been an uneventful season. I'd like to add there seems to be a bit of 'normality' at the moment with cold locked up where it should be and snow on the Alps.
As always, time will tell....
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I would have thought that the heatwave was more down to 'weather' and not 'climate' GW. Admittedly there has been dwindling snow accumulations for a few decades but I wouldn't have thought this was unusual over long time-scales.
Wasn't there a man that had been buried in the snow for a few hundred years up a mountain in the Alps? Wasn't the thinking something about sudden onset of cold temperatures catching him out and perished up there? Perhaps I dreamt it?
Any idea to what I'm waffling on about carinthian?
Nice to see you posting in this section again btw
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Not sure if anyone has seen the 3Dnator extension for chrome or firefox ? I've been looking at some of the stills and it works remarkably well from just a 2D image. Just open the images as if you were going to save them and then right click. It's a red/cyan anaglyph so silly glasses required but you get the sense of depth needed to grasp the size of things. Rather sobering when looking at tornado tracks, more so than 2D.
Available in the google store for free...
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And then they say it's not about money?
I agree with the ideas but wouldn't it be better if they did this kind of thing regardless of climate change?
This site is from a guy who likes to pump hydrocarbon exhaust fumes directly into the higher reaches of the atmosphere. He has also increased this by adding more flights throughout the US. Sorry Richard but I've no interest in hypocrites.
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Or how over-stated or under-stated it may be......I doubt GW was saying people who ask questions are clueless, rather that people in general are clueless when it comes to realising what big an impact the rate of change in the Arctic is and will bring with.
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Thanks to Sparkicle and BFTV for explaining the CO2 temperature problem in a way that puts most climate sites to shame.
Many thanks guys.
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If it was so much of a problem, governments world wide would be falling over each other, with money no real object, to replant huge areas of damaged rainforest....... and other areas.... Wouldn't they?Wouldn't they...?!?A rational approach would be to acknowledge increased CO2 is NOT 100% a bad thing nor is it inherently dangerous, but rational would be asking to much from these hysterical so called science sites.
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Another couple of links.
El Nino - http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/elnino/el-nino-story.html
La Nina - http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/tao/elnino/la-nina-story.html
There is also some very good information in Netweather's learner's area/guides.
http://forum.netweather.tv/forum/24-learning-about-weather-and-meteorology/
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Can you phrase your first question a little differently? I'm not entirely sure what you're asking.
I think the link sort of answers my question. I was wondering if some molecules absorb similar wavelengths and how do they differentiate between them?
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Infrared has quite a large rage, from short wave reflected near infrared, to long wave emitted thermal infrared. Only sections of the IR spectra are absorbed by CO2, other parts are absorbed by methane, water vapour, ozone, etc, while some isn't absorbed at all.
Makes you wonder how the sensors function properly at all.....
I know, I know... Different molecules reflect/absorb different wavelengths and the whole IR spectrum is huge when looked at in detail. It's interesting stuff but with everything absorbing it's own frequency 'bandwidth', how do they know what they are seeing/missing?
Is there a chart somewhere with the wavelengths for absorption?
My original comment was in jest but it's a good thing to learn about.....
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But, and it's a very big but, why don't infrared-imaging satellites pick up on all these 'mysterious' and undiscovered eruptions?
That'll be the CO2 absorbing the infrared, as it does...........
Arctic Ice Discussion. 2013 Melt Season
in Climate Change
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The thing is though Keith, that line will more than likely take a nose dive shortly. Impressive for now.....