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True and I bet if you went out there unknowingly and tried to claim compensation they'll soon have all the facts to say it wasn't there fault. Anyone know hows the eye rebuilding going on???

They're probably totally unaware there was a Hurricane around and probably think you're some nut ringing up larking around. I bet the Girl was going round the office going whats the Flintstones got to do with a Hurricane. Blank looks and someone found an old article about Rita and quoted you that. I doubt very much she ring back Friday becuase a) She won't have made a note of your number. Still won't know whats going on. c) Probably doesn't work Friday anyway.

Sadly it couldn't beat the Bird Flu of the BBC News menu at 6 O'clock. I think the storm should have got a mention since it's one hell of a feature. Another chance of rambling on about GW missed. I wonder how long the eye wall replacement will take.

Jeez another Cat 5 Hurricane. Amazing development in such a short time.

Doh didn't think of that. Too simple really.

Great even SST's from different groups can't agree.

Sums it up pretty well to be honest.

Yup it wasn't til 76/77 that it started getting more interesting. Thyen after 87 it started getting generally boring again.

Roughtly 56p per litre in 1996.

Well there was a lot less demand on the grid than there is now. It's also quite likely the the power system isn't up to scratch as well due to cut backs etc. In a few places the the electricity is up to max so any extra loading and fizz out go your lights. If we have a really cold Winter and with most people no longer used to even slight cold the demand will rocket. I'd expect a lot of long power cuts. We get two to three a year now which last three to four hours each time. Any Powercuts in bad snow would probably last days and engineers would probably have to be flown in from elsewhere due to staffing cuts. This has happened already in recent Winters. Driving well the roads would simply stop until people get used to driving in such weather again. The elderly would be worst hit as many would be unable to afford the heating and as prices rise this group will get more and more vunerable.

Poor old Vince the only true Hurricane to form nearby and no one in the press noticed. I feel sorry for him.

Colder than average and if it turns out to be another mild one the media will have a field day and take them to the cleaners. Also one or two heads of companies will be slightly non plussed. It's only a warning and not set in concrete hence the word unjust in my post.

Here you go. http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/nogapstc2.c...&hour=Animation Play the sequence. Heavy rain is the word though.

Of course if Winters do get harsher expect price rises to discourage access use. I can see double Glazing and insulation companies do well. If the Meto is wrong someones balls will be getting squeezed even if it is unjust.

I'd be interested to see how the UK would react to a proper Hurricane. I see the following happening. 1) Alert issued 2) 99% of People go Huh and then go to work as normal 3) Bosses sack the 1% for not turning up for work. They're fit for work as they were seen securing there houses. 4) Hurricane hits causing mass chaos on the roads as Lorries and coaches are blown across motorways. Police decide it's a good idea to close the Motorways too high sided vehicles. 5) Billions of pounds of damage large loss of life. 6) Enquiry launched as to why there wasn't any evac planned for the area in the storms path. 7) Meto blasted for not issuing enougth warnings. New Minister for GW appointed. 9) Micheal Fish brought back as head of MetO. 10) Insurance Companies raise Home Insurance 200%

Of course they're now missing a real oppartunity to go on about GW. They haven't spotted Hurricane Vince off Portugal. No doubt it will come up sometime in the future in GW frenzy which seems to be effecting the media at present.

Me thinks this should be pinned as theres a lot of good info in there. Thanks Steve.

Bad news today. I heard on the radio today that TV presenters have been asked to brighten up the Weather. So if they forecast showers they've got to remember that most people will not see them so they've got to say the Weather is going to be fairly good. I shook my head at this point. More interferance in the forecast isn't needed.

Quoting Paul There were a selection of observations left out of the 12z run (probably to do with the hurricane in the US), which I guess could have had an effect... So I gues I follow the later one.

Well for Sheffield the averages can be seen here http://www.jtgroocock.plus.com/html/averag..._-_2004-05.html I've split them into seasons after seeing someone elses work I thought it was a good idea. 2003 here was hotter overall than 2005 but countrywise it maybe not so.

The confusing thing is which run is the right one to follow. Follow the white rabbit.

Good post. On todays modeling what would you call accurrate? A low predicted at T384 hrs being 200 miles out of position. I'm told that the GFS doesn't have the same data set for each run which explains why it jumps around a bit and possibly comes up with complete nonesense at times.

Will do in a friendly manner.

Must be running out of news today. Apparently theres a Crane Fly invasion due to the wet summer. Eh? What wet summer? It wasn't long since the media was saying it was dry. Ah well the dryness probably explains why I haven't seen a lot other than the odd one or two.

I've been looking at both runs and the shift can be quite large so I'm probably compairing the two. I've followed some of comparrisons and sometimes I disagree with your comments as preasure systems have been displaced enougth to alter the actual the actual weather experianced on ground level. What will be interesting is how far in future will models be able to predict.