Frost HoIIow
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3 hours ago, damianslaw said:
Noted met office removed all reference to snow now.. why were they so bullish at a long range, must be seeing less of a signal for cold or at least cold and unsettled. Rather they didn't do this, dangle carrots then drop them.. still reference to colder and more settled. Just an air frost after all this mild would be nice.
Wouldn't get too down beat about no snow yet. November is still quite early anyway even though we had it at the end of last November but it's not usually a yearly thing unless your half way up a mountain. Cold is par of the course after the winter solstice normally. What's that saying as the days grow longer the cold gets stronger.
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I've always kissed my dogs, of course you get a sloppy lick back but that's an indication of giving affection back. They appreciate you. More than can be said for some human family members!
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54 minutes ago, severe snowstorm said:
Another decent day today, sunny with light winds and very mild again. Just been for a walk and certainly no need for a coat.
Pretty warm indoors too. Without any heating it's 19C in the lounge not far off November which is pretty good. Not that I'm complaining as it will save on the energy bill but hopefully after mid November we can get something more seasonal.
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Decent useable day today, rain tonight and then very mild over the next few days and tentative signs of it turning a wee bit colder as we move into November but nothing jaw dropping as of yet. Let's not forget even the fantastic 2009-2010 Winter we didn't get the first snows until the middle of December. Which then set the scene for the rest of the Winter.
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24 minutes ago, damianslaw said:
2016-17, 2015-16, 2019-20 nearly as snowless as 2013-14 and last winter, 5 shockers in 10 years. 2018-19 not much better, and 2014-15 below par as well. Only 17-18 and 20-21 I'd class as average.
Depends where you are in the region though. Had a couple of snow coverings in those first two winters you mention that brought more than just a dusting as seen below. Had a decent fall in March 2016 too. Not winter technically speaking though but not far off.
In pictures: Snow turns Oldham into winter wonderland - Manchester Evening News
WWW.MANCHESTEREVENINGNEWS.CO.UKSnow has been falling across the borough and you've been sending us your pictures of the scenes where you live.
Chaos under a blanket of snow
WWW.OLDHAM-CHRONICLE.CO.UKTraffic chaos, suspended bus services and the closure of around 80 local schools followed the fall of up to 30cm of...-
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Only decent fall of snow here last winter, well technically it was Autumn was the few inches we had at the back end of November. The winter itself though one of the poorest ever, right up there with 2013-14. Albeit less stormy than that winter. It's just alarming that two of the most rubbish winters of my lifetime have occurred within 10 years of each other. At least in the "mild phase" of the late 1990s to late 2008 we had topplers that gave an inch or two a few times in those winters. Nowadays even that's getting hard to come by!
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26 minutes ago, Rush2112 said:
Fireworks going off round my vicinity, where's the pouring rain when you need it?
Yes although we are a bit of a way from other houses our dog can hear fireworks in the distance. They have better ears than us and she hates it. Hides under the kitchen table bless her
despite the economy people seem to have plenty of money for fireworks 
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Get the BBQ out
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In Mont de Marsan where my cousin went to live a few years back it's been the mid to high 20's over the last few days with much more to come this week. Summer just doesn't want to give up down there.
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9 minutes ago, 78/79 said:
Let's have a few frosts now, getting sick to death of mowing the lawn
Same here. Not mowing mine anymore. I did it the other day and I'm adamant I won't be getting the mower out again until at least late March. If it grows it grows but hopefully it shouldn't do a great deal now that daylight is increasingly ebbing away. Of course if it stays very mild and we get a lot of rain it might do!
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Feb 2005 was pretty decent round here in an otherwise mediocre early winter. Most of the snowfalls were fleeting mind you mostly occurring at night before melting during the day but one snowfall occurred during the day that brought 5 inches. I had to stay off work as the lane wasn't treated here. It was a better single fall than the late Dec 2000 one which was around 3 inches. At least in this locale.
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2 hours ago, Backtrack said:
Agree with others. Yesterday just didn’t seem to get properly light. Was weird. A true late-Autumn’s day come early.
Can see us having a super mild winter to be honest. Despite some positive looking background signals (that are always there). Last winter was completely snowless here, I’m expecting the same again.
Wouldn't surprise me. Once that menacing Azores high sets up shop in Europe we're toast. It seems to a common theme! But all the while burying the likes of the Greek islands in snow on it's eastern flank as cold air wraps around it from the north.
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Miserable day with some persistent rain some of it rather heavy but useful for the reservoirs for sure. Good to get this out the way now with hopefully drier colder weather setting in sometime next month but this is probably wishful thinking!
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Very windy here. Bins blown over amongst other objects. Pretty unusual to get an easterly gale like this. I have nothing to my east though here....no houses so the wind just funnels through the Medlock valley from off the hills.
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4 hours ago, damianslaw said:
Those noting lack of cold this month, October is traditionally warmer than April and quite often May.
Unlike the wet half of the year, Aug to Feb, we are yet to enter the cold half Nov to May.
Yes. Rarely is October a cold month and snow cover rarer still probably once every 15 years on low ground away from the Scottish mountains. Much better chance as we move into November especially after mid month.
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Had a decent amount of rain over the last few weeks on the Pennines which has really helped the reservoirs where we get our water from here in Oldham. They were only around 30% full which is very unusual. Average is between 60-70% at this stage in Autumn. Hopefully more rain to come over the next few weeks. Get that over with and then hopefully it'll be a proper winter for a change!
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A decent day today. Good drying weather....might be a bit chilly tonight if this stiff breeze backs off.
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15 minutes ago, Weather-history said:
It depends on the source, 2009-10 was the best winter of my lifetime and the best snowfalls came from the west.
2009-10 is a very rare example though of an exceptional Winter we had. It would've probably snowed from the SW if it had tried to that winter! We already had a lot of cold air in place from the pole before any snows came in from the west. The gun was loaded. Especially that day in early January 2010 when we had over a foot of level snow here from that frontal system that came in from the west. Otherwise it is still marginal from the west for sure. We just don't have any continent in the Atlantic to rely on to import low dews etc. There's always a bit of wiggle room from the east when it comes down to 850 upper air temps. They can afford to be higher and still generate snowfall but we need lower 850's from the west for snow in a normal average winter. A good few Celsius lower.... ideally about -7 or -8C to guarantee it. Otherwise it's just boring cold rain and sleet below 300m.
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6 hours ago, northwestsnow said:
North Westerlies are not what they used to be locally in the Western Pennines- granted with hills at 400m+ within 5 miles of my front door it can be very snowy in a PM set up but for low lying areas it's usually cold rain.
The warming Atlantic the obvious culprit and the ssts look high again .
Basically I'm at the point whereby anything Atlantic sourced is of little interest,the comparison in Dew points in an East versus West sourced air scenario is chalk and cheese..
Yes easterly or north easterly is king in our part of the NW especially when we have low thicknesses with it. Had some amazing snow over the years from those directions...... 2018, 2013, end of 2010, Feb 2009, and then back to Feb 91, mid 1980s and late 70s etc. There's often just not enough cold air from a polar maritime direction making it too marginal and when snow does settle from there it's like half a day then it's gone as usually mild air is quick to follow on from behind. But I suppose any snow is better than nothing. PM air is even worse for places down south so I suppose we should be thankful.
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Not a bad day today but a distinct Autumnal coolness for sure. Had a trip to Denton to take the missus to see her sister. They had a stroll round the shops at crown point whilst I had a couple of coffee's in Costa and made the most of their wi-fi.
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1 hour ago, halny said:
One month on, it's still in the low-to-mid 20s C for another week here at 46°N in the Italian Alps. I'm less than 400 miles south of London latitude-wise, so you'd think it'd be cooler.
It only dips to 21°C in the mornings in the living room, so not even the electric blankets have had much use yet.
46°N is quite a way south though so the sun should still have a bit of kick to it, enough to lift temps. You do tend to hang on to the warm air a bit longer than here further north as you are naturally closer to the warmer air masses. Your not a million miles from the precipice of being closer to the Equator than the North Pole. Anywhere south of 45°N is closer to the Equator than the North Pole.
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38 minutes ago, Don said:
Why is it then, we seem to have hour upon hour with temps well into the teens during the depths of winter?!
That's a darn sarf fing innit?
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7 hours ago, damianslaw said:
Sensing next week will bring the final flush out of warmth for the year, not unusual for October to produce a last warm hurray, by November even with temps well in the teens you can never describe it as warm.
Yes and because of a lack of daylight it's only briefly those temps. Not hour upon hour when we have longer days.
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56 minutes ago, Weather-history said:
Irish Sea ice
Gosh I wonder what caused that? Was that still part of the mini ice age? Might be mistaken but apart from inland rivers I don't think the sea froze over even in early or late 2010, if it did certainly not a mile out! The only ice we get these days is from the fridge!
. After this summer I might have more luck growing olives and grapes than getting a proper cold spell again!
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Winter 2022-23 early thoughts - general chat
in Spring Weather Discussion
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It just shows with the BFTE in 2018 that extreme cold still can occur in these times. IIRC it was the coldest upper air temps to engulf the UK since at least Feb 1991. If only it happened a month earlier in late Jan rather than late Feb can you imagine wow. Would've given Jan 1987 a run for its money.