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3 hours ago, BornFromTheVoid said:

If you know that the older instrument has a clear bias, then you can adjust for it.. This is good scientific practise. Otherwise, you are knowingly used faulty data but not accounting for know changes. This would result in a loss of ability to comare old with new reading, rendering the whole data series invalid. This isn't just a technique used in thermometers, it's used all over the world for countless other things. 

you know that doing this invalidates the data , and is totally unscientific ,,,you must know this

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I posted 2 video's of Dr Jennifer Marohasy catching the Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) in Australia changing minimum temperatures , but they were removed 
( I wonder who complained ) just last year 

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/bureau-of-meteorology-opens-cold-case-on-temperature-data/news-story/c3bac520af2e81fe05d106290028b783

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no , unless you changed all the equipment  , from all the sites of the  USHCN station's , then ran the tests again , which you can't do , otherwise ,,,,your changing the data

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Equipment gets updated, stations get moved, techniques improve, spatial coverage improves, biases are identified and corrected, and all this is explained in published papers and reports so everything can be tested and replicated.

 or , the original data was changed void is another way of saying it ,,,yes ?

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if  you don't want to read the posts Mr BSc , just scroll past , not everybody believes the same as you

 

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if a thermometer in 1950 read 18 degrees , I accept it was 18 degrees , if someone 40 years later says it wasn't 18 degrees , he'd better have a time machine to back up what he is saying ,,but I'm betting he doesn't , and altering the temperature to fit your theory is not very scientific , like the guy who published this

,,who was held in contempt of court in Canada last year for refusing to show the data he used to come up with this hockey stick , even when he was caught out

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why don't you take a look at the USHCN station readings  , and then with your BSc , you can explain the difference between the original data and the Hansen , GISS 97 and the GISS 2015  charts then ?

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ED Stone , I'm insinuating nothing , I'm showing you ,, but you can choose to believe what you want

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i'll tell you what I'm getting at void , look at these charts , every one of them is based on one set of data , the USHCN station readings , but by using temperature homogenization , every time it's been updated , it looks a little different , cooler in the past , warmer in the present , which is strange to say the least

in 2005 NASA released this

then in 2007 ,,this

which is strange because the temperature didn't alter all that much during that period , and NASA do the same with tidal gauges

 

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what part of "Antarctic sea Ice thickness tracker " ( NOAA)  are you having trouble with Void ? is this not an Antarctic Ice Discussion thread ?

 

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a warming climate ?

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April 9, 2018, British Antarctic Survey - New study reveals increased snowfall in Antarctica over last two centuries

https://phys.org/news/2018-04-reveals-snowfall-antarctica-centuries.html

"Our new results show a significant change in the surface mass balance (from snowfall) during the twentieth century. The largest contribution is from the Antarctic Peninsula, where the annual average snowfall during the first decade of the 21st century is 10% higher than at the same period in the 19th century."

 

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16 November 2017

Predicting the Geothermal Heat Flux in Greenland: A Machine Learning Approach

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017GL075661

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published online 4th April 2016

Melting at the base of the Greenland ice sheet explained by Iceland hotspot

http://www.geo.uu.nl/~seismain/pdf/ngeo2689.pdf

 

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appears to be a dead link

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ok , how much ice does 200 Giga tonnes of snow make Devonian ?

if 200 giga tonnes of ice flow out , and 200 giga tonnes of snow fall , since Giga tonnes is a measurement of weight , not mass

please enlighten

[New Research]

published May 7th 2018 - Powerful hurricanes strengthen faster now than 30 years ago

https://www.pnnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=4504

While many factors are at play, the chief driver is a natural phenomenon that affects the temperature of the waters in the Atlantic where hurricanes are powering up, according to scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

They found that a climate cycle known as the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation or AMO is central to the increasing intensification of hurricanes, broadly affecting conditions like sea temperature that are known to influence hurricanes

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it was all over the headlines last summer ," Greenland looses 200 Giga Tonnes of ice " but I've shown it put that back on , therefore it's not losing a great deal of anything

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I merely asked for clarification of what Void had said , I was not abusive or in any way aggressive towards him , I was astounded at his statement , 200 (ish ) giga tonnes of ice is not exactly inconspicuous , you would have thought someone would have noticed it missing

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and you calling for mods to intervene is also unreasonable

 

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you commented on my post , I answered you , I think your argument is totally unreasonable , that graph is a measure of ICE mass , and I don't think you could remove that much  if you nuked the whole island , and any formula or explanation for that amount of loss is not reasonable  

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so your saying  this much ice disappeared , over night

and the following day , it looked like this

just so I have it right , that  is what your saying ? round about 200 Giga tonnes of ice disappeared overnight ?

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so you also think that the gains over the last season just disappeared ? and I'm unreasonable ?

 

 

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I think claiming that the 2 sides of the Arctic that are open to the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans , and there for at the mercy of the weather from both ( wave , wind ) , and then posting something like this

without mentioning weather conditions , is a little bit disingenuous , and then pointing the finger and shouting "AGW " when there could be many factors involved , and nobody seems to look and see if the conditions happened before , here is a depiction that was published in National Geographic back in 1971 , showing the level of summer ice ( as they could tell without satellite data )

..and here is todays graphic from the DMI , which I don't think is bad at all , but that could change , just like the weather

 

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what has a chart from 2002 got to do with what I posted ( readings from yesterday and data from the last year ) ?

the temperature in Greenland yesterday was -20 in the interior and -4 at the coast