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    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Lots of abandon cars in Biggin Hill can you believe just walked two miles across fields as I left my car at the White Bear. Work Mate had to walk from Keston to Biggin Hill -only about 7cms of snow but road are like ice rinks. <_<

    Ah cn-d, Biggin never fails to deliver does it. I was ridiculed by my colleagues when I suggested that Biggin Hill had 2" of snow in under an hour, earlier on at work. Its not anything unusual for Biggin, that kind of fall.

    I remember a number of years ago going up to B.Hill one night for a snow chase. Beckenham/Bromley had rain with a few flakes now and again. Got on bus from Bromley North in steady rain, just past Bromley Common a wall of snow hit us and as we climbed towards B.Hill the snow became heavier and heavier and was settling more and more.

    Bus arrived in B.Hill High Street, snow was nearly 4" deep, had a look around for a while then got bus back to Bromley, nothing but cold rain there.

    Back to the now, came out of work in Croydon just before 7 in sleet, New Addington tram stopped nearby and tinkered with the idea of jumping on it (only 20 mins from Croydon) but thought better of it, had I been younger and snowless this week I would've been up for it. I would imagine if B.Hill has 3+ ins then N.Addington has an inch or so. Saw plenty of cars coming into Croydon with a couple of inches on their roofs, no doubt having come up over the N.Downs south of Croydon.

    Walked down to Anerley (SE20) from Crystal Palace station with a few flakes falling, although seems to have stopped now.

    Snow cover here has taken big hit but still plenty of spots with some snow and ice, that have a northerly aspect.

    Heres to the next bout. :wallbash:

    Regards,

    Tom

    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Latest radar shows ppn pivoting now. Stuff over the IOW starting to move slightly W/NW, I wouldnt expect the ppn between east of B'ham over to Norwich to move any further north. It should start to move SW in awhile and then south but can it hold together. Low over N.France still west of the Meridian at midday but as it moves east of that line it should start to pull everything southwards, -5 uppers not expected into N/W. London until 6 p.m.

    Paul S., not that impressed with the Metos showing since they flagged up the Thames streamer on Sunday(sorry, I know its painful). They had Weds nights snow too far west and last nights snow kicking off too far east.

    I think the updated warning for London/Surrey for earlier this morning might have been a knee jerk reaction to the snowfall over London/Surrey early this morning. The trouble was the radar still showed everything still moving north and ppn was likely to fizzle and turn back to rain. I'll shut up now, I just sound like I'm being clever and picky. :)

    Regards,

    Tom.

    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Hi stewfox,

    I think I reacted to the Meto updated warning for London/Surrey re. ppn arriving early afternoon, in this area.

    But having looked at GFS pressure charts colder air cant really return south of the Thames until low pressure over France moves east of the Greenwich meridian, which it doesnt seem to do until after 6 p.m and by that time ppn may well start to fizzle out anyway, if not before. Hope I'm wrong, big time.

    Regards,

    Tom.

    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Sorry OT mods, just had a panicky phone call from my daughter who is with friends visiting Krakow. Another friend is supposed to be joining them today, flying from Luton. Evidently Luton Airport is closed for snow clearing and expect to open this afternoon but the snow could return by then. How bad is it in the Luton area at the moment, does anyone know?

    Regards,

    Tom.

    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Hi TEITS,

    Having just looked at the GFS run for 00z., the low over N.France doesnt start to clear the Greenwich meridian until between 6 and 9 tonight. That would be the mechanism for dragging the cold air back south of the Thames, I think.

    Not so good for us in the south of the region but as Dave states, perhaps some prolonged snowfall for those north of London that have it at the moment.

    Regards,

    Tom.

    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Cheers Paul S.

    I know these ppn charts can be fickle but on the 00z run ppn doesnt clear the Kent coast until 9.00 a.m tomorrow.

    They show heavy snow in time for tonights rush hour in London and -5 850s getting into the area then. IMO it will happen earlier than that but with lighter ppn, hope I'm wrong about ppn.

    http://gfs.netweather.tv/gfs.20090206/00/1...ctypeuktopo.png

    http://gfs.netweather.tv/gfs.20090206/00/18/h850t850eu.png

    Regards,

    Tom.

    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Went for a great snow walk with my fiancee this aft., nearly 6 miles altogether. For those of you who know the area, decided to go due south to Bromley. Left home with about 5" on the ground. Just after Grove Park you cross the Borough boundary from Lewisham to Bromley and you start to gain a little elevation and it was noticeable that the depth of snow was on the increase. Just before you get to Bromley theres a park, near Sundridge Park, totals there were nearer 7/8ins, with drifts close to a foot. It snowed moderately in Bromley all afternoon and the town centre wasnt that busy and I managed to take some nice piccies in a very scenic looking Churchill Gardens, sorry but unable to post them. I wanted to press on to Bromley Common and Keston, as Biggin Hill was a no-no, but wasnt too sure how bad the weather was going to get. Should imagine totals in the Keston area circa 10 ins and as we've heard a foot plus in Biggin Hill. Decided to be sensible and head back to Lee, as we headed out of Bromley, snowflakes became larger and thought dew points, as the forecast suggested, were becoming marginal. As we got closer to Lee noticed that the snow hitting my face started to feel quite wet. Got back after 5 and the ppn started to fizzle and became sleety.

    On looking at the radar returns, we seemed to have just stayed in the ppn area but just about managed to hold our dew point low enough for snow, very close run thing though.

    I have vague memories of the 62/63 winter and obviously very fond memories of other memorable snowfalls since and I have to say a 7/8 inch fall for the Bromley area is very respectable and is up there with some of the notable snowfalls for this area.

    My fiancee and I also noticed how desperately birds were scavaging around for food and she made a point of feeding them with something she found in her handbag, bless. One other thing I noticed about today was how polite people were to each other and it was great to see the wonder and joy in kids faces, some of them have waited a long time and they certainly made up for it with some great looking snowmen and some huge balls of snow.

    Its been great reading all of your experiences in the last few days and I wonder whether the mods have any ideas of putting a thread together summarising this spell and perhaps we could get some input from the technical guys re.the synoptics, etc that occurred.

    Lets hope the SW event can throw up some more juicy synoptics and decent snowfalls as we go through the rest of Feb. and who knows, March.

    Regards,

    Tom.

    Snow Watch London, Se England & E Anglia

    in Spring Weather Discussion

    Posted

    Morning all,

    Well has been coming down steadily for the last half hour again and sky looks full of it, here in Lee SE12.

    Still concerned for areas east of the Greenwich Meridian late aft/early eve, might turn to sleet or rain before it clears, esp. the further east you are.

    A few charts to illustrate.

    http://212.100.247.145/gfsimages/gfs.20090.../h850t850eu.png

    Low centred just to the east of the meridian and in middle of channel with 850s at -5 ruunning up the Meridian.

    http://212.100.247.145/gfsimages/gfs.20090...ctypeuktopo.png

    With sleet/rain being forecast east of the Meridian.

    http://212.100.247.145/gfsimages/gfs.20090.../h850t850eu.png

    By midnight -5 850s moving back east into Kent.

    With attendant ppn trending towards sleet/snow from the west.

    http://212.100.247.145/gfsimages/gfs.20090.../h850t850eu.png

    -5 850s sweep back east through the whole of the SE by 3 AM.

    With remnants of ppn turning more wintry as it dies.

    Will be interesting to see Metos take on this. We seem to have a window of dodginess of about 6 hours east of the Greenwich line.

    As KW states, surface cold in our favour though, which may prevent transition from snow-sleet-rain from happening away from coasts.

    Anymore thoughts on this KW, think we need that low not to track to far west from the Meridian.

    Looks a good shout from Steve re. Surrey Downs having most accumulated depth but I'm sure my fav place Biggin Hill will be ok and will stay as snow.

    Further afield looking good for N/W Midlands for some nice totals come end of the week.

    Regards,

    Tom.

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