[The Government's New Net Zero Strategy By 2050]

2 hours ago, jonboy said:

This is a lack of understanding of what net zero is. We are off course along way from being a fossil free world as you state simply because so many products as based on 'fossil products'. That does not mean we should aim to do away with fossil products but rather we should aim to be a non burner of fossil products to provide heat and energy. As knocker say's the benefits of less pollution and over reliance on one source should be a driver towards net zero if nothing else.

Many on here know my underlying views but that doesn't mean I don't agree with net zero targets and societies will not fall over if it is done properly.

To be honest, I don't think anyone understands the current net zero policies.   Of course we need to keep fossil fuel products.  But tell that to a certain percentage(97%) of the AGW crowd . The problem is we were well on our way in the science field of fossil fuel burning to wonderful new technologies.  Cleaner burning energy efficiency was on the fast track , Auto fuel efficiency would be soaring, but those fields and technology will be afraid to or feebly underfunded to move forward or completely abolished because thats the MO of 97% of AGWs

[The Government's New Net Zero Strategy By 2050]

Oh brother, i didn't know that was a disqualifyer , there are so many,  I won't use that bad word again.. I don't run when you call me climate denier

[The Government's New Net Zero Strategy By 2050]

If it were a true "weaning " I wouldn't have that view.  The Net zero plan in its infancy , in my assumption, which I think I should be allowed to have, is already manifesting or festering in current economies.  Higher energy prices have a trickle down effect on every single thing associated with our lives. Foods, goods, transportation, inflation etc. Governments can blame covid for only so long. 

So glad you brought up the 8 billion nonexistent human beings.  That has been one of my points since the religion was started, being that , that is the biggest change that has happened,  not the climate.  More people and better observational technology make the climate seem more impactful than before

[The Government's New Net Zero Strategy By 2050]

Ok , I'll play along .  I believe all the models all the assumptions,  and all the science of climate past and climate cycles  and natural variability has zero to do with our climate today. Our climate today is 100% do to societies of the past depending on fossil fuel and its products for survival and advancement and less hardship.  

So called net zero is achievable some day for sure , although it's ridiculous to put a date on it. The problem is the effects on societies and  people's lives under the current plans of governments to achieve that will never , never survive the upheaval and chaos when economies suffer severely  .  What good is a fossil free world , when that world will be in utter chaos.  Oh, and we would still have the same weather extremes we have now and have had for millions of years past.

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Fairly new here, but would like to know the definition of the words "Climate Denier" as it is used so often . Forgive me if this has been explained in detail at an earlier stage

[The Government's New Net Zero Strategy By 2050]

21 minutes ago, Quicksilver1989 said:

Sea level rise has accelerated in recent decades due to increasing global temperatures. Thermal expansion as well as melting ice are a risk. Of course there will be variations locally that add an element of uncertainty in comparison to global projections of Sea Level Rise. However the given the situation the Maldives find themselves in you cannot blame them for panicking.

Yes, agree , and well within the mentioned range average.  Of course it's higher (and lower) during anomalies,  such as the recent super El-nino. 

[The Government's New Net Zero Strategy By 2050]

With more than 80 percent of its 1,190 coral islands standing less than 1 meter above sea level, the Maldives has the lowest terrain of any country in the world.  Sea level rise has  remained consistent for decades/centuries,  2-4mm per year.  Yet Somehow this is now not a natural progression 

[The Government's New Net Zero Strategy By 2050]

One would think the Muldi's would help the cause by restricting the number of tourists flying to their luxurious lands , instead they wish to expand their airports to accommodate millions more and have given the contract to build, worth nearly a billion dollars to the the world's leader in fossil fuel burning,  China.  Yet they want ransom money for their modeled future ultimate demise 

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29 minutes ago, Ed Stone said:

The very mention of which has lost you any possible argument you ever had. How sad!

I didn't know I was arguing and I didn't know using MSM was a disqualifier,  apologies.   But, since we're talking about the 70s, MSM fits better then , than today.  You only had a few news sources to be mesmerized by, television,  radio  and rags.  We can call them Broadcast News Conglomerates if that makes one feel better

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4 hours ago, Ed Stone said:

And Climate Deniers were predicting a new Little Ice-Age. How's that one coming along?

Majority of that hub-bub over that rubbish was ginned up by,,,wait for it..... the MSM

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3 hours ago, Eagle Eye said:

If you ask me the government are just very good procrastinators 

Net Zero by 2035

Net Zero by 2050

What next 

Net Zero the day before some major climate disaster in weather is predicted to happen and they look shocked when they're given a 0 for effort

I think they know the Net Zero Math is fools gold.  They know trying to get there is going to mean extreme hardships to society the world over, resulting in major extreme upheaval.  At least this is what my climate model is predicting

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So, these scientists know the that fossil fuels caused the putrid winds and will in the future, bit lets keep building more and more .  Perhaps they can have a backup diesel generator to run them when low blows come to visit.