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  1. Wow, look at the cape in Northern Mississippi last night! I can only imagine how humid that would of felt.

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    Some massive hailers around in Texas last night aswell with all that instability

     

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  2. Nice to see the return of +15 degree dewpoints, that combined with surface heating into the low to mid 20 degrees should yield some decent cape values for this time of the year (800-1400 j/kg sbcape) 

    Could lead to a few thunderstorms sunday afternoon.

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    Despite some low level curvature present i suspect these will be pulse storms, bulk and 850mb shear is weak

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    Mid level lapse rates not amazing but may change models very uncertain, gfs not amazing but other models such as GDPS is more favourable (6.4+)

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    Low level lapse rates seem good though, gfs has 7.2 0-3km, leads to some high 3cape values.

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    imo cloud cover and saturation of the profile overdone by gfs, gdps likely has a better handle on coverage. 

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    If cloud cover is sorted out and lapse rates improve i wouldnt be surprised to see 1,500 to maybe even 2,000 sbcape with much more active thunderstorms.

    Heres latest UKV

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    Will also be watching northern France for possible development.

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  3.  Sprites Your right on both reasons, its a very fine balance. I believe it was simply too much dry air, so stronger downdrafts cutting off inflow. I suspect it wouldnt of been as much of a problem if cells were discrete, but we had 2-3 cells basically congealed into a single line, i mean the forward flanks of one cell was literally the rfd of the one infront, the circulations were completely rained out and inflow kept being choked off by those massive rfd surges.

    Radar image from last night, these 3 cells are all training and interfering with each other

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    Profile from last night, lots of  very dry air at 500mb downwards. Honestly, despite what i said, looking at that sounding even discrete cells would struggle with very strong downdrafts

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    We like some dry air to steepen lapse rates but too much=more evaporative cooling so large cold pools.

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    Compare that sounding to the ones above from the may 24th 2011 outbreak (taken from Treys great vid about it) much less dry air.

    I dont think dry air was the only reason it underperformed but i do think it likely played a major role.

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  4. With the exception of the Barnsdall tornado yesterday thankfully underperformed when compared to what was expected, one of the core reasons tornado events interest me is days like this, knowing how and why these days failed means we can be better prepared for those that dont.

    Really great thread on twitter by Cameron Nixon here going over the event and comparing it to the significant may 24th 2011 outbreak which did verify. He highlights subtle fail modes that were difficult to forecast but combined to hinder storms.

    Main reason though was storm mode, its no coincidence that the Barnsdall storm was the only cell that managed to retain its discreteness. The cell near Wakita, Oklahoma kept trying to put a large tornado down but its rear flank downdraft kept being impinged on by the forward flanks of the cell behind, leading to weaker, rained out circulations that only lasted for a few mins before dissipating. This was on top of the dry air aloft, reports of virga ahead of some supercells, this is explained in Camerons thread but essentially this led to rear flank downdrafts being stronger with excessive precip, choking off cells inflow, this is all while they are likely competing with a cell infront or behind them.

    Honestly in my opinion it was a combination of 'smaller' fail modes aswell as the slower trough ejection that led to this event underperforming. 

    Saying that im once again not particularly impressed by models, especially the HRRR showing low level lapse rates at 7 degrees celcius a few hours before the event when in reality they were under 6.4, once again no coincidence that the Barnsdall storm produced as low level lapse rates began to increase after dark.

    The best area for discrete cells was southern Oklahoma, storms didnt fire there and in northern Oklahoma shear vectors were way more parallel to the dryline than perpendicular, leading to training storms.

    Shows that we still have ways to go in fully understanding the internal dynamics of thunderstorms and tornadogenisis, some things we just dont know yet.

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