[Snow Watch: N&w Yorkshire, Northern & Ne England]

Quite.

Hardly an 'event' for this part of the north-east in my view.

The N.Sea has certainly seen to that. Wait till we get the NEly later in the week

[Snow Watch: N&w Yorkshire, Northern & Ne England]

So far here its just not been cold enough. Lowest has been 0c during snowfall this morning. I remember -2 during showers in Feb 1991.

I am expecting more from the NEly later in the week.

Temp has shot up here from 0.8 to 1.6c. I would be very suprised if there is anymore snowfall tonight in this area below 200M. Even if the ppn does intensify the wind is so strong coming of the sea that the effects of upper cooling will be cancelled out. I think this is staying as rain.

[Snow Watch: N&W Yorks, Northern & North East England]

Not a scratch on the 1991 event so far here. I seem to have avoided alot of the showers and when they do arrive they don't last long enough. But the main reason is that is just not as cold. I remember -2 during the snow in 1991, whereas its about 0 during the showers now.

Lets see what tonight brings.

[Snow Watch: N&W Yorks, Northern & North East England]

2nd decent shower hitting here now. Its very windy and drifting is starting. Things can only get better.....

[Snow Watch: N&W Yorks, Northern & North East England]

Just watched the Sky News Weather..... Quote 'A significant snow event....up to 2 inches of lying snow'. Thats pretty insignificant don't you think? Or on the other hand if you look back at the last 5 years, I suppose it is.

If all runs to the current projections I would be expecting alot more than that. 1 heavy soft hail shower can give 2"

[Snow Reports - Wednesday 3rd December Onwards]

Snowing lightly in Newcastle now. Its -2 so lying.

[The Curse Of The Modern Winter]

I believe we are going through a cycle similar to the 1920's and 30's. That period suddenly came to an end and this one will eventually.

Just a matter of time before the weather patterns change again.

I agree. We have always had a cyclic pattern to cold / snowy winters, its just this one is lasting a little longer that the pattern suggests.

Steve, can you answer.. (or anyone)

1. What has caused the cyclic pattern of the last 200 years, when CO2 / warming effects are really a recent event?

2. If there is a cause to this cycle, (and it cannot be GW) how can you be so sure the cycle not about to switch back, because PROBABILITY is telling me that it is, soon.

[Winter 2008 / 2009 Your predictions]

In the North East I have not had one day which I would consider warm or sunny so far this summer and and really don't expect to get more than one or two for the remainder if we are lucky. I still have my heating on, My 95 year old gran says this is the worst summer weather she can remember and that says something.

It just sums up the British weather over the last couple of years, both summer and winter that is. There is no problem with Spring and Autumn weather its just the summer and winter never get going.

So until there is evidence to suggest a serious pattern change anyone that predicts a hot summer or cold winter is betting against the odds.

I don't measure summers and winters on average temperatures that is just daft. For me (and most of the population) summer is measured on the amount of warm sunny days and winter the amount of snow and prolonged cold (amount of frosts overnight does not count in mid winter)

My prediction for Winter 08-09 is.... Gererally another let down so don't build any hopes up..... Brief interludes of cold, but nothing that stays for longer than 5 days. Snow is possible just about anywhere in the UK, but, if you are one of the lucky ones it will not last longer than 3 days.

So what I am basically saying is that the UK is stuck in a pattern which will not allow long periods of summer or winter weather.

If you disagre then please let me know what facts to base it on.

Just going out now to clean the rust from my new BBQ which has not been used yet.

[Snow on the way? April 5th onwards cold snap]

Here on Tyneside all we have had all day is two light rain showers and one light hail shower all day. How dissapointing when we still have a weather watch on the METO site for blizzards and heavy snow in Tyne and Wear ! Where is it ??

There are a few heavy looking clouds around but hardly any precipitation let alone blizzards. It doesn't even feel very cold outside. Any chance later/tomorrow ??

Is anybody working at the MET today that can update the warnings or have we still got it to come ??

Any ideas ?

Thanks, Karl

There is a large shower area heading our way. Its in Northumberland at the moment, but it may be all further inland. We will know in about an hour.....

[Monday 21st January 2008]

Its sleet here right at sea level (Blyth, Northumberland). Reports of heavy snow in Morpeth (300 ASL) 8 miles west of here.

[Snow & Cold Spell General Chat Part 12]

I agree the actual length of time the snow has remained is rather disappointing for some but TBH from the synoptic set up that we have the weather has produced quiet nicely for some. The problem is this isn't a true classic cold set up and we haven't really had any truly cold air so the snowfall amounts have been quiet impressive.

A perfect cold spell IMO is one where you have a few days of frosts which lay all day and then the snow arrives with max temps below freezing.

Once this cold spell is over im going to make a post explaining the difference between cold spells and what I term true classic synoptic cold spells which TBh we haven't seen since I joined this forum. I think sometimes some members look at the charts and instantly assume that when the wind is N or E then a cold spell with snow is certain without looking at the wider picture.

Hopefully my post will explain the differences between these and what to look out for in the models in future.

Fully agree. People have short memories. i look fwd to your explanation

[Snow & Cold Spell General Chat Part 12]

Moderate snow here now,should start falling to areas lower down if it gets heavier.

Is it settling up there?

[Snow & Cold Spell General Chat Part 12]

According to the Radar it supposed to be snowing here , Nothing yet , [ i reckon we will miss it again] 2nd year running . Looking at Look North news tonight and it looks like we could see rain here , and to the west of me snow ,.[HOW FRUSTRATING]

nigel

By the time the core gets here it will have broken and be just light to moderate sleet. I can't remember the last time the NE had any significant snow (4inch plus) from this type of system. We will have to wait till later in the month when the NE winds bring it.

[Snow & Cold Spell General Chat Part 12]

Had a bit of heavy wet snow about 5.30, and its been persistant light to moderate sleet ever since. Temperature stuck at 2.1ºC.

Your dome seems to be holding up well

[Snow & Cold Spell General Chat Part XI]

If that was the case then the metoffice too as they have warnings out of heavy snow, then say 2-5cms??

Exactly my point. i guess we are not used to it anymore. But if its going to be more common then 2-5 cms is a light covering.

[Snow & Cold Spell General Chat Part XI]

I think some people need a 're-calibration' on the definition of heavy snow. I would say an inch every 15 mins with visibilities down to 50M.

[Snow reports 04/02/07 onwards]

Sleety showers here in Newcastle. Mostly soft hail.

[Cold spell general discussion pt3 (merged with snow event)]

look at the radar. meto The 'Tyne and Wear Streamer' is forming. Showers are merging...

[Cold spell general discussion pt3 (merged with snow event)]

Its coming down again here so there is more heading in your direction

[Cold Spell General Discussion]

If I don't get at least 1cm dusting by 9am tommorow.....I am going to cover my genitalia with chilli seeds.

LOL. And I will post you some snow to cool them off

[Cold Spell General Discussion]

I think the fact is, that there aint enough of an easterly component in the wind for my location. I do much better from direct north-easterlies or ENE's. NNE winds don't do much for me at all.

You are right, but the wind is turning a little more in that direction. There is a second crop of showers heading in ETA 2.00am. You will get something from these.

[Cold Spell General Discussion]

Watch....as my locale splits the shower in-half: -

I fell sorry for you in your dome. Its getting heavier here with massive flakes. Around 2cm I would say. Temp at -1

[Cold Spell General Discussion]

The first snow of the winter is falling here... Radar is showing showers streaming into an orderly queue. hopefully this will be longer than the average shower.... temp is -1.5 so nice powder

[18z model discussion - models pah, just use the 5 min radar!]

Its incredible, this looks so much like a miss the North East event again. What do we have to do?

I take consolation that the South and Midlands will get ANOTHER huge dumping of 2-3cm, which we wouldn't even notice up here anyway.

Don't make judgement on the current models. They will probably change on the next run and 100% will not predict all areas that will get snow. Shown in the current models are areas at risk of snow at this point. Risk being the important consideration.

Stay hopeful in the fact that we have the best charts in ages and anything can happen. I am sticking with TEITS and the title of this thread, so will be using the radar for snow confirmation or you might as well be pinning the tail on a donkey!!!

[The cold spell]

It wasn't exactly a cold spell... it got a bit chilly, but that's about it really.

Meh.

My thoughts entirely. Its was just a cool spell. The air mass was never from a real cold source and with the high SST's, widespread cold or snow was never on the cards.

Lets just hope we do get a cold spell this winter....????

What this cool spell had confirmed again, is that its impossible to predict snowfall positions and amounts, even 12 hours before things can change massively. I will now be taking all early warnings / risk disruption / areas to be worst hit with a pinch of salt.

best thing is watching the radar and your local lampost!!!