[i]< I wonder where I would appear in a typical assessment of "climate change believer" vs "climate sceptic".>[/i]
TWS, it’s not a question of being a ‘believer’ or a ‘skeptic’. Opinions without evidence to support them are worthless. A bit like believing there were WMD’s in Iraq some years ago, but the fact is no one has found any (because there were none). There were none but there was a big ‘yes there are’ v ‘no there aren’t’ debate at the time. Climate deniers often have some agenda in the background – e.g. they have financial support from big corporations whose motivation is profit.
I do urge you to read some proper peer-reviewed scientific studies, instead of trying to guess from other people’s ‘opinions’ without facts to back them up. If you do, I think you’ll find there is steady trend in the current climate.
TomS wrote [i]< we are supposed to believe in 'climate change' on the basis of about 20 years observations>[/i].
If you look carefully you’ll find there are many observations far older than 20 years. I’ve recently been working with very reliable observations made in the 1860’s. And I think you’ll find the smoke (visible and mostly carbon particles) from a few hundred, or even thousand factories, is insignificant compared with over 30 million vehicles in Britain alone, which pump out exhaust gases (mostly invisible and of many kinds) every day of the year.
You could do worse than to start here for some solid science:
Climate Sceptics?
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TWS, it’s not a question of being a ‘believer’ or a ‘skeptic’. Opinions without evidence to support them are worthless. A bit like believing there were WMD’s in Iraq some years ago, but the fact is no one has found any (because there were none). There were none but there was a big ‘yes there are’ v ‘no there aren’t’ debate at the time. Climate deniers often have some agenda in the background – e.g. they have financial support from big corporations whose motivation is profit.
I do urge you to read some proper peer-reviewed scientific studies, instead of trying to guess from other people’s ‘opinions’ without facts to back them up. If you do, I think you’ll find there is steady trend in the current climate.
TomS wrote [i]< we are supposed to believe in 'climate change' on the basis of about 20 years observations>[/i].
If you look carefully you’ll find there are many observations far older than 20 years. I’ve recently been working with very reliable observations made in the 1860’s. And I think you’ll find the smoke (visible and mostly carbon particles) from a few hundred, or even thousand factories, is insignificant compared with over 30 million vehicles in Britain alone, which pump out exhaust gases (mostly invisible and of many kinds) every day of the year.
You could do worse than to start here for some solid science:
[url="http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf"]http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/a...ar4_syr_spm.pdf[/url]
Good luck in your quest for the truth
Gibli