Gibli

With the end of the World Cup football and the controversy concerning Qatar as the choice for 2022 , I thought it would be interesting to look at recent temperatures there, should Qatar remain the choice for 2022. I used official figures from Doha Airport for the same period as the recent World Cup (12 June to 16th July). Maximum temperatures: The average max occurring around 3pm local time was 42.6C. On the coolest day it only reached 37.9C, while the hottest peaked at 47.4C. On 10 days the maximum exceeded 44C. Minimum temperatures: The average minimum occurring around 6am local time was 31.9C. On the coolest night the temperature dropped to mere 28.0C, while the highest minimum was 36.2C. On only 5 nights did the temperature dip briefly below 30C. The average temperature for the World Cup period was 37.3C. Exertion in these temperatures is likely to be dangerous for both players and spectators. Presumably it would be a cycle of air conditioned (a/c) room, to a/c vehicle to a/c training ground and back. Ironically on the ‘cooler’ days when a breeze off the sea set in, the dew point was much higher. In my limited experience of the tropics it was high dew points (over about 22C) which really sap the energy and they were in the high 20's for a while. On the other hand, if the same venue was used in mid-winter as has been suggested, it looks much more feasible. Using Doha figures for December 2013 / January 2014, the average maximum was 22.1C (variation 18 to 28C) while the average minimum was 15.9C (variation 13 to 22C in round figures) and for playing football a rather pleasant overall mean temperature of 19.0C. That said, the decision will likely all boil down to how much money changes hands! I have details on an Excel spread sheet - unfortunately the site says I'm 'not permitted to upload this kind of file'.

Lorenzo and Pixel, Many thanks. I knew there must be some better definition images. Gibli

Just wondering if anyone knows of a source of good definition WV satellite images. The EUMETSAT site has excellent coverage but the definition is poor – about five shades of grey as here: http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MSG/IMAGERY/WV062/BW/WESTERNEUROPE/ I’m looking for coverage of the Atlantic (or eastern Atlantic) and western Europe. Either of these two examples would be OK if they covered the area I’m looking for: http://tropic.ssec.wisc.edu/real-time/imagemain.php?&basin=europe∏=wv&sat=m7 http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/wv-l.jpg I previously used an Italian site, but the WV images are no longer available. Any suggestions much appreciated. Thanks. Gibli

Here's one Jersey 12 May 2012

[i]< I wonder where I would appear in a typical assessment of "climate change believer" vs "climate sceptic".>[/i] TWS, it’s not a question of being a ‘believer’ or a ‘skeptic’. Opinions without evidence to support them are worthless. A bit like believing there were WMD’s in Iraq some years ago, but the fact is no one has found any (because there were none). There were none but there was a big ‘yes there are’ v ‘no there aren’t’ debate at the time. Climate deniers often have some agenda in the background – e.g. they have financial support from big corporations whose motivation is profit. I do urge you to read some proper peer-reviewed scientific studies, instead of trying to guess from other people’s ‘opinions’ without facts to back them up. If you do, I think you’ll find there is steady trend in the current climate. TomS wrote [i]< we are supposed to believe in 'climate change' on the basis of about 20 years observations>[/i]. If you look carefully you’ll find there are many observations far older than 20 years. I’ve recently been working with very reliable observations made in the 1860’s. And I think you’ll find the smoke (visible and mostly carbon particles) from a few hundred, or even thousand factories, is insignificant compared with over 30 million vehicles in Britain alone, which pump out exhaust gases (mostly invisible and of many kinds) every day of the year. You could do worse than to start here for some solid science: [url="http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf"]http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/a...ar4_syr_spm.pdf[/url] Good luck in your quest for the truth Gibli