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"Abstract There are at least three popular perceptions surrounding the weather forecast for the D-day landing in Normandy, 6 June 1994: 1) that the Allied weather forecasters predicted a crucial break or “window of opportunity” in the unsettled weather prevailing at the time; 2) that the German meteorologists, lacking observations from the North Atlantic, failed to see this break coming and thus the invasion took the Wehrmacht by surprise; and 3) that the American forecasters, guided by a skillful analog system, predicted the favorable conditions several days ahead but got no support from their pessimistic British colleagues. This article will present evidence taken mostly from hitherto rather neglected sources of information, transcripts of the telephone discussions between the Allied forecasters and archived German weather analyses. They show that 1) the synoptic development for the invasion was not particularly well predicted and, if there was a break in the weather, it occurred for reasons other than those predicted; 2) the German forecasters were fairly well informed about the large-scale synoptic situation over most of the North Atlantic, probably thanks to decoded American analyses; and 3) from the viewpoint of a “neutral Swede,” the impression is that the American analog method might not have performed as splendidly as its adherents have claimed, but also not as badly as its critics have alleged. Finally, the D-day forecast, the discussions among the forecasters, and their briefings with the Allied command are interesting not only from a historical perspective, but also as an early and well-documented example of decision-making under meteorological uncertainty." https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/101/7/bamsD180311.xml

Abstract Here, we show that the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) provides a stronger constraint on equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS), the global warming from increasing greenhouse gases, after accounting for temperature patterns. Feedbacks governing ECS depend on spatial patterns of surface temperature (“pattern effects”); hence, using the LGM to constrain future warming requires quantifying how temperature patterns produce different feedbacks during LGM cooling versus modern-day warming. Combining data assimilation reconstructions with atmospheric models, we show that the climate is more sensitive to LGM forcing because ice sheets amplify extratropical cooling where feedbacks are destabilizing. Accounting for LGM pattern effects yields a median modern-day ECS of 2.4°C, 66% range 1.7° to 3.5°C (1.4° to 5.0°C, 5 to 95%), from LGM evidence alone. Combining the LGM with other lines of evidence, the best estimate becomes 2.9°C, 66% range 2.4° to 3.5°C (2.1° to 4.1°C, 5 to 95%), substantially narrowing uncertainty compared to recent assessments. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adk9461

Article Abstract The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation has a major impact on climate, not just in the northern Atlantic but globally. Paleoclimatic data show it has been unstable in the past, leading to some of the most dramatic and abrupt climate shifts known. These instabilities are due to two different types of tipping points, one linked to amplifying feedbacks in the large-scale salt transport and the other in the convective mixing that drives the flow. These tipping points present a major risk of abrupt ocean circulation and climate shifts as we push our planet further out of the stable Holocene climate into uncharted waters. https://tos.org/oceanography/article/is-the-atlantic-overturning-circulation-approaching-a-tipping-point

A good example of evaporative cooling over Devon yesterday

The current warming at 10mb illustrated on the 00 at Orland in Norway

I think serious consideration should be given to the possible temporary closure of the mod. thread as a humane gesture to end the suffering.

Addicks Fan 1981 Signals do not lead the models and to say this rather makes a mockery of 70 odd years of model development. The sun drives the models via Atmospheric/ Oceanic interactions using mathematical and physical equations and the teleconnections are part of this complex evolution. And of course forecasting. This is of course a very short and simplistic explanation.

I notice that over in the mod. thread a relative newcomer to the thread has made the rhetorical comment , "Seriously how can any model promoting cold weather now be a good thing". There is of course no intelligent answer to this.

Met4Cast I wasn't aware that I was suggesting that knowledge in itself is a bad thing. What I was suggesting is that posting comments on teleconnections, Stratosphere/Troposphere interactions and synoptic meteorology all in the model discussion thread, is in my humble opinion operation overload and asking a lot from many punters, including myself.. And there really is no need for the separate threads in that case. I will leave it there as I realise my opinion is not welcome in here

Why should this thread become even more filled with teleconnections and Stratosphere talk? There are separates threads for those subjects. It is almost as if synoptic meteorology, and all the interesting complexities of that, is a no go area. Without this being addressed adequately I am not sure how punters relatively new to interpretating models can possible get to grips with it.

I am very saddened to note the the air of despair and desperation that has crept into the Mod thread over the last few days.

Climate Change would appear to be hastening the redundancy of the chasing cold thread............it just doesn't bear thinking about

Flub136 I do not think this a true representation of the warming An important character of sudden warming is its downward propagation from 45 km into the lower stratosphere. This feature is not zonal in character, but has nonzonal structure, with a planetary wave tilting westward with height. In the middle latitudes, warming in the stratosphere (40 km) is followed by cooling in the mesosphere (65 km). Simultaneously, the opposite occurs in low latitudes, with stratospheric cooling and mesospheric warming, but the magnitude of the changes in the lower latitudes is one order less compared to that noted in higher latitudes

Neilsouth There is a problem with pinning down the detail at this range as it the start of pattern change. All one can say at the moment is it is likely to be cool and breezy (depending on where the dig is) and with a wave on the front crossing the south late on the 24th according to the gfs. Not very helpful I'm afraid

Weatherman_93 That's a bit like expecting a vegetarian to salivate over a fillet steak