stewfox

Only 12c in london feels warmer then that and sun burnt mist/fog off faster today No cloud in the sky though Funny kind of ice on the car today in Bicester didnt scrap off easy :huh:

Im not in favour of changing the 'seasons' yet as we havent had enough time. I bet if we did we would have a freezing feb next yr Many places have a dry/wet season a monsoon non monsoon season We have at present 'four' . Now for us in the UK daylight is of course an issue, that wont change However if we had 30 more mild febs and all things 'woke up from hibernation' '30 days early' every year it would make sense for Jo public to redefine the 'seasons'. we are not there yet What the tech people do is another thing If we have 25 'spring like days' for the next 25 yrs in 'winter' whats the problem with calling it Spring ?? Nature will

Yes Wisley could be a good bet However last yr arrived home to Gatwick Airport and it was +7c in May Therefore I go for gatwick Airport 16th April wednesday 72.4f ,then a break down with showers for the weekend first 30c london July 23rd

It is broke thats the whole point

I dont think its a good idea as well at present but if for the next 50yrs the daffs or what ever comes up 4 weeks early its a bit silly to keep saying spring starts says 21st March when nature doesnt (How do you define Spring ?) I think the easiest one is Summer You can have a warm spring day late May or warm Autumn day early September much of that transition is governed by daylight particulary as you enter September

I don’t think you could just go by temp but day light is a factor To have mid December when its dark by cira 4pm and not light till 8am as a Autumn month makes no sense to me If 1st feb was the new start to spring you could switch to BST then

Current mins in USA (11/2/2008) I see min of -37f in Minesota and 69f Miami Thats 106f of change If you drive what 1200 miles North ? Is that a record ? what is the record for biggest variation in a day for USA

I read somewhere recently that we should start changing the season definitions. To reflect the weather/plant growth etc My idea Winter Dec-Jan Spring Feb - Apr Summer May-Sept Autumn Oct-Nov Any other ideas

Global warming (very small amount) and its cause (the jury is still out) is a bit like the theory of the big bang Its going to take a lot of evidence to push the 'theory' aside. When you get the EC trying to do this http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=511236&in_page_id=1770 You get tunnel vision In 1975 it was global cooling http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm My post was more about the bias For who ? Last winter, thousands of older people died, simply because of the cold A bit warmer you save lifes etc

what global warming ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/31012008news.shtml

Why would you need to 'check' re hot spots do you really think if we had 1) The worst heat wave in China for 50 years. 2) Temperatures in parts of central Asia 5 degrees/even 10 degrees above average. 3) Worst heat for decades in Tehran, Bahgdad, Saudi Arabia. 4) Record heat in Georgia (former USSR) 5) Temperatures way above normal in Mexico. 6) Record heat in parts of Canada and North America. It would be on the front 15 pages of every newspaper ? Maybe he was looking for an explanation rather then the 'a leaf has fallen one day early' it must be due to global warming Given the experts cant predict the weather 24hrs ahead , if this is happen globally it deserves more of a ‘debate’ rather then a dismissive response from the Global warming brigade

Of course they have a warmest agenda !! December 2007 was the 3rd coldest december this century , not mentioned anywhere I remember loads of air frosts ps is the fact correct ?? December 2007 in Northern Ireland Mean temperatures around 1 deg C above average for December, leading to 2007 being the warmest year in the Northern Ireland areal series, which began in 1914.

Yes thanks I've been 'interested' in the weather since i was 5 but know very little about it I was told at 16 my maths wasnt good enough to apply for the met

Im going to assume Jan 87 falls just outside this ? Didnt that Jan warm up a bit ? Parents house move with no heating . I was at Ports Poly windows frozen on inside of house even with heating on in my small room ! Dec 81 as well although again that was early /mid month. Bus skidded on the 10th Dec 1981 in heavy snow on way to college , funny what you remember (mums birthday) when was the last time we had a cold snap that lasted more then 2 weeks ?? Feb 86 for middle England ? Jan 79 (clearly my grans frozen house as a young teenager) April 89 a billizard in woking ? Very heavy snow new years eve cira 75 or 76 ??

Theoretically I suppose it could I assume there would be a steep temperature gradient and the snow didn’t have time to melt, although 9c ?? I also assume we get drizzle at 2c sometimes and heavy snow at 2c other times due to the temperature gradient and thermal activity

Me thinks there all looking out of the window looking for snow

I was told maybe 20yrs ago the coldest two weeks on the year in central England statistically were 2nd and 3rd week of January That assumption has been corrected on this forum and now im told it’s the 2nd and third week of February My question now is how mild does it need to get before it won’t snow I was told it can snow up to around 7c but of course wouldn’t settle at that temperature Is that correct ??