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Think peat is still used as a source of fuel in the remoter parts of the Highlands!

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Yes the beeb should be neutral in all aspects of media coverage. But unfortunately it was hijacked years ago with middle class lefty lunatics, who have degrees in media studies and sod all in common sense!

Kermit the frog is now employed at hadley I've heard!

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Very sad that someone like David who spent years campaigning on environmental issues, is treated this way . Just goes to show that AGW is more about politics and less about the environment!

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Pretty much what i'm expecting this winter. Did a forecast on two, but compared to both of yours it pales in comparison! Lot's of work gone into that I wish you both well!

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I think it would be wise to wait for the official version of events GW!

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Calm down, no I don't.

I do think people have to have the right to defy a law, or a policy, they think unjust but, they then have to take the consequences of breaking the law.

If people can't protest we'd live in a police state. Is that what YOU want?

Oh, you mean alleged violence. I see.

Totally agree with you on the right to protest. And good to hear you don't approve of criminal damage Devonian. That's my opinion of you all wrong. SORRY!

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Do you think criminal damage is acceptable!

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Good grief what will those crazy eco-freaks do next in the name of AGW! Beggars belief how they can think of themselves as saviours of the planet!

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Thanks's Cookie ,I'll check it out!

Hi Solar Cycle! You are right about no huge media coverage and yet ,for Haiti, Cuba and other of the Carribean islands it's been a horrid season (I don't know the death Toll/damage estimates but they'll both be high). The only time we are treated to coverage is with U.S. landfalls as their networks have a beano each time.

Jethro advises (on the climate change thread) that U.S. lanfalls are in decline and so if that is your 'measure' then you will hear less and less (just snippits on the news with shots of flapping palms and displaced locals).

Back to the topic.

If we are extending into a 5 month 'season' then you would imagine that , mid season, the northerly extent of landfalls will expand and increase in number. Though not unheard of Canada took a pounding from one this year so are all points north of North Carolina now more at risk?

As Cookie pointed out 'Bertha' formed off Africa very early in the season (Cape Verde' storm). In 2005 we had a couple of 'recurve' Hurricanes that went up west Africa and impacted the med. and so this may be another area of concern. With 'favourable conditions' just off Africa 'Cape Verde' storms could also start to form earlier in the season (as Bertha did this time) posing the real risk of north Africa/ European landfall if the Azores high steers them north.

Where is your source of information GW? This is the first time that I've heard this, and I'm pretty sure if this was the case then the gool old beeb would have reported on it!

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To endeavour to keep 'on topic' I will separate out this topic from the general 'climate change debate'.

This year the record for 'consecutive months with a 'major Hurricane' (cat 3 or above) was broken when Paloma formed and bombed to a Cat 4. It was only in 2005 that the long standing record of '3 consecutive months' (since records began in 1851) was broken.

The fact that the record has fallen twice in close succession would suggest to me that something 'novel' is driving this. Of course, with Hurricanes being 'heat driven' (needing ocean surface temps of above 27c), it would appear that the oceans are holding onto heat longer and longer and so enabling these monsters to be spawned at either end of the 'Hurricane season' (and outside).

Is this yet another manifestation of AGW? Are we now seeing climatic impacts from pole to equator?

How do you guys view this interesting statistic?

I can't see how the record has been broken to be honest. It's been a quiet affair which as resulted in very little media coverage!