Can I just say that Im quite sad to see the state this forum has descended into. I joined last year just before the really cold spell and was really interested to see the observations by other forum members. However, now the focus is on point scoring, bickering and winding each other up. The folk who had interesting things to say seem to have gone and I dont blame them one bit. I really think some people need to grow up and learn a few manners, they know who they are and they are spoiling this forum for everyone.