Well here goes my moan about the winter thus far! I had hoped that the last 3 winters, well 2008 > 2010 had broken the horrendous cycle that we had to endure between 1991 and 2007 (16 years of pain, at least in the SE!) Having glanced in the Model Output thread earlier today I was most upset as it seems we will have to put up with mild mush (or zonal) until mid Jan at least which then really only leaves 4 weeks potential (in the SE at least). I must have jinxed us cold fans back in early November when I thought "what the heck" and bought a snow shovel and a car that looks remotely like a 4x4 - just in case! What I am most surprised about is just the lack of any frosts in my location. Last Christmas I was walking in snow and looking at ice packs off the Kent coast - this year...... well there you have it, rant over. Roll on a mid Jan beasterly pleeeez lol !!!