richie3846

It's interesting to look further ahead, though there's hardly any talk about the situation that is developing over the weekend. I'm at a loss to why there is so much talk about fantasy models for 12 days ahead, when there is a lot of interest coming up which seems to be void here? I'm trying to make sense of it through the met office interpretation currently, they seemed to have toned down the impact of the change of air for the south, with temps looking slightly up for Friday to Tuesday, and some pleasant sunshine in-between the showers, temps now only a margin below average. If any model watchers have anything to add about the weekend/early next week period, that would be amazing.

You can count me in on that also. I'm drinking beer in the garden, day off, just dug up 30 beautiful garlic plants, and planted a load of seeds for my overwintering bed. Lovely breeze, 31c, low humidity, no cloud, absolutely perfect.

Seems to be thinning as it comes across! We had similar yesterday but it didn't really impact the day very much. Local weather station pulled in 14.4 hours of sun. As long as that thick crud stays over Cornwall you'll be ok!

A band of it is now clearing from this area, it was very thin, lovely halo round the sun and no perceptible relief from the very warm conditions. I've no doubt the sun will feel very fierce here in the next few minutes, as the edge of the band appears to be passing us. I think this band is the one you are referring to, just checked it out on the met office satellite.

I've observed the same, as measured by my veg plot. It's not possible to grow anything at all without a significant amount of additional watering. If I had an allotment without watering facilities, it would be completely impossible to grow anything. Also, the environment agency keeps track of soil moisture, and over the last 10 years it appears that the soil is more often than not drier than average round here. At the end of May 82mm deficit against an average of 52mm. That will be even drier now has half of June has passed with dryish conditions.

It's notable how quickly we returned to average, after a chilly start to the month. I did not expect to see such a quick bounce back considering the weather has been fairly typical over the last few days, it seems that the last few days must have been above average to pull up the cool days at the beginning of the month.

I find the met office location forecasts totally useless for cloud, and I mean totally. They use the same light cloud symbol when they don't know/when it's totally overcast/when it's mostly sunny with some cloud/when it's thin hazy cloud. Absolutely meaningless.

Well the only thing that's helping me through this rather dull spell is looking back to last June, when summer was abruptly interrupted and there were 4 days of solid thick cloud. At least the worst of this sheet of cloud should start to ease later on today, and for some it already has. Temperatures were similarly depressed in the 4 day spell last year also, but the thing with that one was it signalled the end of the best bit of summer, as early June last year was ok. A little bit of context has helped me feel a bit better about the start of this summer, there's a long way to go yet.

Today 15c is a struggle for many. And tomorrow looks only slightly warmer than today. As my living room faces north east towards a woodland, it doesn't receive any wamrth, so I had to put the heating on this morning. That's the second day in June I've had to cave in.

These are very interesting groupings because it puts the discussion into a wider context - evidently there hasn't been a general trend to cloudier summers, and 89-21 are actually sunnier if you add them together. Also, the gap between the highest and lowest is only about 55 hours or approximately 10 percent, not really much at all.

These are quite lengthy periods, and it suggests that we may be due another shift in fortune any time soon. There's nothing to suggest that the most recent 15 year trends we've experienced are likely to continue.

I love a good chunk of data too, not a geek as such but do like to have facts to back up claims. I did a similar analysis of August temperature, just to check I wasn't imaging that they've been pants for 20 years. The facts matched, they really have been pants! On a positive note, the longer below average continues, the more likely we'll end up above average at some point, as the average will be less over time! Perception helps! Might have to wait another 20 years though.

I'd be interested if anyone has any statistics about all this cloud. I believe it's the case also, summers have become really cloudy, but is this actually true? If anyone has any comparable information that would be amazing!

The brightness this morning has now been replaced with thick cloud, 3rd day in a row this has happened. Rain forecast later on, I'm not seeing much hope for a pleasant afternoon here, temperatures were rising well but now a coolness is returning under the thick cloud. It's totally overcast.

Exactly the same here. Decent enough, but it was a cloudy day with sunny moments. Forecast on the met office tomorrow confuses me as it has long sunny spells described with 23c, yet the location forecast is 17c with rain most of the day, not really easy to decipher what might happen. Perhaps there is going to be another massive cloud belt over the middle of England and less cloud in the westcountry. I'm left guessing at the moment.

I didn't realise there would be so much cloud today for some. It's virtually overcast here and has been mainly cloudy through much of the day. Whilst there's been worse days of course, the thick cloud is taking the edge off the temperature, it's not really shorts weather. We also lost a couple hours under a massive black cloud yesterday afternoon. It's pot luck in the UK, we're never safe from a huge cloud to come and lodge itself over us for most of the day

Wow that is chilly! I'm grateful that my veg didn't suffer the cold temps that were forecast for this area a few days ago. We were expecting 4s and 5s yet the reality was 8s and 9s. Nothing dies at 8c, 5c and some tender plants such as cucumber don't like it at all. I saw that east Anglia had -2 a couple nights ago. A reminder of how chilly our weather is in general.

Virtually frost free for the south. Many places didn't dip below 5c. Warmth like this slips beneath the radar unnoticed.

I actually feel sorry for the poor sods who make a living out of forecasting. With a big weekend coming up, I suspect the folk preparing the forecasts for the met and the Beeb etc must be very nervous about the crazy shenanigans taking place in the models right now. Even with all this craziness, I see the met haven't made any major changes to the forecast in this area, YET.

Looks decent round these parts Thursday through till Saturday, good temps and some sunshine, with a risk of showers. Not sure I can ask more of the British weather. Beyond that, never trust a day 5 model I say!

The one that got stuck is now 404

I think we've got the lion's share of the luck over here for a second day. No rain and some pleasant sunny spells first thing, over lunch, and now more generally this afternoon. Approximately 15c, looking at the sky ahead, clear enough for temps to rise another notch in the next hour. I can see the black horror in the distance that passed over less fortunate folk further south.

Not really a moan I guess, I had to mentally prepare myself for these few unseasonably cool days. The first day has been a pleasant surprise, I was waiting for showers and very cool temps. Showers are virtually non existent in this area, and a little sunshine has now lifted temperatures to around 15c, and with light winds in my sheltered garden, it's good enough for a t shirt. Day one survived, hopefully only one more on the extreme cool side to go.

Interesting observations, I suspect there will be further developments in climatic themes in the decades to come, some of the things I've noted include drier Aprils and totally garbage Augusts. Nobody saw these coming, and I suggest there will be other developments over the years that swing one way or the other. It's much more difficult to seperate out climate from weather when we are living through it, for example these observations you've made may pan out over the next 100 years, change, or become more extreme,we just don't know. One thing we can say with some confidence at this moment in time, is that generally speaking the UK climate is warmer than it was in decades past. Some believe we may end up with a med climate with wet winters and dry summers, and snow may become rare in southern England. It'll be interesting to see if these predictions come true, I'm young enough to hopefully see the next 50 years of climate change, at this stage I reckon anything can happen.

My friend who lives in Nevada high altitude desert spent all of last summer indoors because of a forest fire which was on a scale large enough to block out virtually all daylight. He spent months indoors as it was impossible to go outside for more than a few minutes in the permanently smoky atmosphere, and the heat was reaching the high 30s and 40s all summer long, which was way over their historical average. Meanwhile in this neck of the woods it was overcast a lot of the summer BUT this context of Nevada helped me through, because I was able to go out and enjoy comfortable outdoor time when it wasn't raining, in cloudy but tolerable conditions. Spain, they've already had a crippling heatwave before summer even starts. I've started to count my blessings in the last couple years, when I see what other countries are putting up with, including the aforementioned Canada!