i think if you lived on the coast you would be the same yeah there good sypnotics but a continuous north east breeze and low clouds relentless its not very pleasant beleive me yes it prob will brighten up with a wind change and it will be in the west this time with misty low cloud so i for one will understand when they have a moan it is afterall the moaning thread @ shedhead i saw your post as i wrote mine seeing u have lived by coast