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I Spent some time last weekend in Dorking Surrey walking through a vineyard where the plants were laden with grapes and no rush by the staff to harvest them. Twenty years ago that was in the I'll Never see that category.

Looking at a couple of sites for data, there cetainnly seems to be quite a hiccup in the building of ice. It now appears to have dropped back below the 2005 level.

I agree totally for them to put the reasoning there and say this is what we think the models are showing us would be great. We all know there will be mistakes everybody makes them. I just feel this one is a result of somebody failing to deliver.

I really don't think that is defendable. That is more or less admitting they don't know. It is such a good job they have had all those millions spent on super computers.

I have been trying to find pictures of this do you have any please

I think it must be hats off to the Telegraph newspaper. They have an article about Modoki, apparently then new term for the horseshoe shape to the pacific SST's. Surprise time it may cause droughts. I think the Telegraph have now stated that just about all the different SST patterns are going to cause droughts for Australia due to global warming. If I should not post links then please remove http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6223794/Climate-change-causing-new-El-Nino-weather-pattern-to-form-known-as-Modoki.html - A good example is the two following quotes, first about El-Nino from their related link "Typically, El Nino has the potential to disrupt the rainy seasons and cause lower rainfall in India, Australia" and now the new article "What effect this will have on global climate is unclear, but one outcome could be worsening droughts in India and Australia." I can't make my mind up whether this is sloppy journalism or someone trying to find a new way to scare people.

I think what would be needed to confirm this recovery would be the winter max getting back to a higher level as well the last two maximimums were quite poor.

Just out of interest if it does pick up enough strength would it still be fred as it is the same storm system

I finally bought a weather station and this is my first month 85.2mm so far this month in my location

This must be a record to still with out a named storm in the Atlantic/Caribbean and only on the first named storm in the Pacific and were passed the mid point of June

A little bit confused the usual place I look at for see ice still shows good ice coverage http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IM...current.365.jpg but when I look at this web site http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php that is now showing closere to the last few years. They cannot both be right. Does anyone know which has been accurate over the years?

Thanks for the advise.

Hi Carinth I have been reading this thread since joing and was wondering if you could post some of the urls from where you get your information from please.

After spending several hours reading all the different statements there will be no data as all the surveying equipment has failed and been taken away by aircraft. I for one would not rely on one person saying I drilled a hole and it was this deep

latest from Epsom. I cleared the snow to the top of the car window

15 cm came and went about 5.45am and it has not stopped since

I live about five miles away, not far from racetrack and now getting on for 14 inches and no sign of stopping. Never known a snow event like this ever.

now reached 16 centimetres and still snowing. KUDOS to the guys on the atmosphere thread I didn't completely understand all of it but they have been calling this for a long while.

[Top of a table or bin lid maybe :o

With the mention of La Nina I thought this link might interest people. http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/analysis_...ensoyears.shtml

I think the most important thing nowadays is to try and find out whohas paid the scientists fothier research. Cynical I know but often quite telling

I guess I had better learn how to ski http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...scientists.html

I'm amazed this has slipped so far down page 2 especially with the ice extent now edging closer to the average levels and the lower than average SST's around the british isles.