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Posts posted by Jimmy0127
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Indeed...the system is so complex; if you answer one question you are asking two more? And that goes for all of us...
That sums it up really.
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Thanks very much to Mr O'Toole and anyone else involved in this.
All of the key teleconnections and influential phenomena, so often talked about and advocated in isolation on the forums, are presented in a concise and digestible manner.
I'm just hope one day we'll understand how to weight their significance and interaction!
Edit: no sarcasm in the above, just a whimsical aspiration of weather forecasting.
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Hope I'm not teaching Grandma to suck eggs, but this link gives a pretty good idea of what's happening on our side of the Arctic:
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This is an area called risk management, which requires an evaluation of the probability and the potential consequences of a risk, followed by a decision on what, if any, measures to take to reduce either.AGW is tricky because it is unprecedented and predictions are many and varied and have historically shown poor verification. Even if you accept IPCC's analysis as gospel, there's huge error in its estimation of CO2 sensitivity. As for the effect of the resulting temperature change, we are getting even closer to speculation. So the consequences of inaction are essentially unknown. This makes an effective risk assessment impossible.If you can't gauge the risk, then you are no better than guessing to gamble on the future. Grey-Wolf could build a bunker in his garden to protect against an unprecedented nuclear war, based on the above rationale. Maybe one day it'll save his life.If I am proven wrong in my concerns then what of it? What have we lost? If your constant assurances that nothing is amiss and that all is well proves unfounded, and your calming tomes has resulted in a lack of action when it was really necessary, then what?
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At least we haven't seen a spin that this terrible Typhoon Haiyan was due to 'man made climate change'
That 'need jerk reaction' has been more tempered in recent years which is pleasing to see.
Beg to differ, Stewfox. BBC Question Time last night devoted 10 minutes to this question.
Awkward it was too, as both sides used the IPCC's report to justify themselves - Nigel Lawson citing the lack of evidence supporting consequentially larger and stronger storms, and Ed Davey citing evidence supporting consequentially larger and stronger storms.
Lawson essentially lost the argument, and looked most foolish, when he raised the question of "the pause", and was rebuffed on the grounds that this is selective timing. We need to look at the bigger picture.
Because everyone knows that global warming actually started in 1960.
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Has the storm gone south?
It obviously has.
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Whats Sussex, Kent, East Anglia
I mean that I think a line from Southampton to the Wash is going to see the worst of the wind. But what do I know!
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Looking at the current data, it's Sussex, Kent, East Anglia.
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Seems to be very far south to me at the moment. Could strengthen and turn left, but radar looks very far south compared with forecasts...
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Pressure here has just started to rise, back up to 982 from 981.2 and the winds veered to the west. So I'd say it has just passed North of Scilly.
Satellite shows that it has, quite recently - clear, cool skies eh?
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Talk now that parts of E Anglia, NE England may see upgrades re warnings etc..for later today, also bare the brunt of the winds..
This storm is now possibly taking on a new dimension.
Yes, slightly concerned about that - North East Anglia/Wash area could take a battering.
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Regardless of what's happening and what everyone's thoughts are. This so called super storm has claimed its first life as the search in Newhaven is too dangerous to continue and has been called off.
Horrendous news.
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"@bbcweather: Storm centre currently about 20 miles due N of Falmouth, moving NE at about 45mph & deepening all the while. #ukstorm. Mike S"
Courtesy of Fergieweather
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A snapshot of tomorrow's newspaper headlines.
Outrageous is the word, this really has gotten out of hand. This circus could do big damage
to the credibility of Met Institutions.
This weekend's weather has been fantastic PR for the Met Office. Frankly, well deserved - long range forecasting of hazardous weather.
And if I hear anyone tomorrow say something like, "wasn't as bad as they said", I'm going to teach them basic thermodynamics at gunpoint.
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Am I alone in being committed to pulling an all-nighter to watch how this system unfolds?
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I wish I could tell where this thing is , It is almost impossible to tell on Infrared images . If it comes in over the Bristol Channel or further South then most of the West country will be in the center of the low and miss the High winds , If it comes in over Wales the whole of the West country will see a period of intense winds. The surface pressure plots are no where near matching the infrared , it is looking more like a weather front than a deepening low on most images.
I don't understand how you can't see it - centre is tracking Pemroke to Grimsby, pending unforeseen deepening. North Somerset should be pretty windy then, no?
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Am I mad to think that the East Coast should be most concerned at this point?
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This has been explained over and over, you're wasting your breath I'm afraid! Anyway, back on topic, pressure starting to tumble here...
Apologies for the banal message.
Rain quite intense in London at the moment - have a conservatory which makes a good proxy rain gauge!
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Forgive me, but this storm is not moving over the entire UK, and some perspective is needed. Far more potent systems than this one regularly pound Scotland and it's islands - indeed even the heavily populated central belt of Scotland - yet media coverage has never been so "dramatic" as now.
I've read the BBC news website and other news outlets and am truly gobsmacked at the writing.
Central belt of Scotland is c.1.5mn people, S/SE England is c.15mn people. Hence 10 times the interest, potential damage etc etc.Journalists will be journalists though.
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I've got a headache, I put it purely down to the addiction I have to this site when the weather turns interesting, it's been a long week f starring at a Screen LOL
Haha, know what you mean!
The thing I've taken from this is how good NWP analysis is these days. Think the MetOffice have publicly shown their brilliance.
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Yeah , thanks for that , although I can not see any rotation as of yet .
It's starting - about 200 miles SW Ireland eye..
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Anyone able to do a quick scribble on this sat pic to show just where the centre of the low is atm etc. It's a bit messy looking and I can't pick out the centre of the low?
Much better satellite images here:
http://www.yr.no/satellitt/europa_animasjon.html
Thank Mr Holmes for that intel.
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yes why cancel this early, why not take a view first thing
Obviously because if people know about it they can make alternative arrangements.
In 2007, I spent 5 hours on a train due to a fallen tree ahead and a bottleneck behind - no stations in between. I'd rather they checked out the line and warned me in advance.
In terms of the system - it does look to be tracking slightly further south and strengthening later than expected. Middle East coast (and obviously extreme SW) must surely be highest risk?
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Model Output Discussion - 30th November onwards
in Forecast Model Discussion
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But you are clearly somewhat interested:
"UKMO view (just chatted with them) remains as before: i.e. for Scandinavian block to establish after next week's milder (for some, notably so) phase and a progressively colder return from SE/E thereafter.
"Yup, 'could' being the key phrase given the timescale ahead. However, the notion of the colder block (with UK somewhere to western edge of it) remains the form horse they favour currently. I've not seen the DECIDER output behind it, but have perused the EC32, so can see the rationale being employed. Anyway, we watch with interest. The polarization of solutions past next week is very striking currently and it would be foolhardy to wholly write-off any solution (including the NCEP 'Winter Blowtorch') at this juncture, albeit the seemingly contractually-required return to a more zonal or Atlantic-dominated status-quo is a known GFS trait and one often highlighted by the senior forecasters at Exeter, as a note of caution for those perusing stuff progged out past T+240. But that doesn't mean it's wrong. We just don't know...
"We just having a chuckle on phone with UKMO about what certain newspapers will do to 'square' their recent/ongoing/interminable editorial line of late, versus the 12C Theta-W approaching Scotland in the UKMO-GM at T+144... ;-)"
Surely accurate long range forecasting is a meteorologists goal? Especially when potentially hazardous weather is foreseeable.