Honestly I despair with some people. Just been reading in the moaning thread and the amount of 'winters over, ' next winter for snow' is unreal. It will all probably change in a few days. How can you predict something that is constantly changing? One thing I have learnt the last few weeks is that reading the models is a complete waste of time and your life. People read what they want into them. Basically if its forecast over 5 days away it will probably change.