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Did the experts say it was winding down? I havent seen anyone suggesting that it wont spread to other countries? There's a difference between people saying "we dont know yet/it's probably mostly mild symptoms/will we get it as bad as other races etc", compared to "we're all going to die, stock up on tinned food and lock yourselves in for 6 months"

So China shouldn't of bothered to do what they've done then? There's a lot of mixed signals in here lol

That gets my vote!!

Thats a joke isnt it? You're not actually being serious now?

I'd like to think its spread rapidly around the world already, just most show mild symptoms. Again, its still a waiting game. Far too early for anything concrete still!

I'm confused by all the hysteria with this? There is no mention of where the son in law Ning went? Unlikely to think that the son in law stayed at his father in laws house and never left for that whole period. And they say he went back to his own home on 31 Jan.....so whos to say he didnt catch it then? Sounds very very inconclusive to me? Im not even going to comment on this lol. And theres apparently no hysteria in this thread haha? As for the cruise ship. I'm confused why people are getting so concerned? Firstly its a cruise ship, so ANY virus of any kind spreads like wildfire! Secondly, only half the people on the ship have been tested, and thats whether they have symptoms or not. Last I read, the reason they hadnt tested more people was because they simply havent got the resources to test so many people so quickly. So this may have NOTHING to do with a long incubation period.....there could still be hundreds infected with the virus, but nobody knows because they arent showing symptoms and havent been tested yet. Finding new infections now, doesnt mean that they've only just caught the virus for gawd sake. And thirdly, it needs saying again, ITS A CRUISE SHIP. People get infected the first week, they pass it on to others, and they get infected the second week. I'm struggling to see how this in any way relates to an incubation period anywhere near longer than 14 days lol. Sensationalism is rife in here yet again, and that is what will do the harm in the real world!!! News headlines saying Japan will go into recession because of COVID-19......they were nearly there anyway, it will happen anyway, regardless of this virus, it just might happen sooner now!

Come again lol?

This is page 49, and they're still cropping up though, so a reminder doesnt do any harm

"However, he insisted he was not predicting 400,000 deaths, rather pointing out that the figure 'is possible'." I could of told them that lol. This headline is the EXACT problem with the media. Would you link an article from the mail with a scientist saying AGW is "possibly a lie"????

This will be the problem. Unfortunately, a large chunk of society is thick as .... these days, and the media etc just fuels it even more. Rather than being able to self diagnose if it feels more serious or not, and if so, phoning up to get an appointment for testing, plebs just wander into A+E at the slightest sneeze!

Very true, the hysteria the news and social media will fuel, will do as much harm as the virus possibly could.

At least 50% of me says that its already here, and in massive numbers, but affects us so mildly, that its not being recorded/noticed. We will see soon, but even if this theory is stuff of dreams, it would be the best outcome overall.

The latest data showed 3-5days, with only 1 out of 1000 being 28days I think it was, but at the time there was deliberation as to whether the 1 person counted at 28 days was even accurate. Is there new data again, and if so, can you share it please? I'll happily concede if there's new evidence?

Ignore what from the last 3 weeks lol? I really dont understand why you get so aggressive and jump to conclusions. No where have I said its all over, although I note I have seen posters here suggesting civilisation is over, are you confusing me with that? I'm just dealing with facts, not hearsay, not beliefs, just facts. Now the facts can change as more info comes to light, which is exactly why you should keep an open mind about it. However, the current facts are, the average time is 3-5days, SO, with 3 weeks having passed, it IS surprising that there arent more cases in Europe and Rest of the World. (Japan doesnt count as a cruise ship is hardly surprising). I'll say it again just in case, I DONT THINK ITS OVER lol and we need another month at least to have any solid answers to which way this is heading, BUT, at the moment at least, its on simmer........

Its been 3 weeks since the first confirmed case in Europe. The average incubation period is 3-5days roughly, and possibility (not confirmed) of 1 in every 1000 people taking 24-28days. I'm not saying anything is definite, and it really does need to be a month before we have some answers, but if 999 people out of 1000 incubate it for 1-14 days, then we really should be seeing cases rise by now.......thats if this virus even affects us in the same way of course.

Well, the weather in Wuhan at least, is very similar to here, and its certainly not been dry over there as far as I can tell. If the medical theories about ACE-2 enzyme are in fact correct, then I'd go for the Asian genetic difference being the reason. Could be that loads of people have had/got it in Europe/ Rest of the World, but its only showing up as a mild cold, whereas the Asian's would be more prone to a harsher stage of the virus. Its still far too early to tell, and my idea is just a theory based off the medical journals discussing the relationship of ACE-2 enzymes etc. The scientists and doctors may be right, and they may be wrong, we just dont know anything definite yet. Needs another month to start having any concrete answer. However, to see it spread like wildfire in China, does make you notice that the rest of the world is still relatively devoid of cases. Is it a time lag, is it genetics, is it pollution levels? Who knows......and I dont mean the WHO, because they're just floating with the times.

Is this part of the forum always like this? To allow this sort of "unstable" behaviour carry on? Dont get me wrong, I'm not one for censoring people by any means, but there seems to be the COVID-19 version of Piers Corbyn loose in here, which surprises me lol

Well, those "others" seem to have lost the plot now lol, so I think it best to leave it there.

?????? As far as I can tell, you haven't made any hysterical posts? Others on the other hand......

No offence intended, but I think your hysteria meter must be faulty lol

You literally said yesterday that people "dont get it", and that cases are being massively under reported........so you obviously "dont get it" that such a theory would massively skew those charts you've posted?

I was just going to make a point about stuff like this. When it comes to climate change (please, this isnt a climate debate or owt), but peer reviewed papers etc are essential, and any info or data from a scientist that goes against AGW theory is instantly dismissed here by certain people (I have no problem with that btw, this isnt about AGW). But when it comes to this virus, a single paper or snippet of info, without necessary support by others, is branded as fact, and bad news for everyone. I lurk in this forum just to find snippets of info about upcoming weather etc, but I just find it strange that when it comes to this virus, all bets are off, and any data is taken as accurate and fair game, when it would normally be instantly shouted down by the very same people lol. The 24-28 day incubation is a prime example. The very paper/report/whatever it was that this data came from, suggested that the average time was 3-5days if I remember correctly, and that 1 in the 1000 cases may have been 24 days, but as medcram youtube channel pointed out, it wasn't conclusive, and they could of had two viruses or something. He also made the good point that people can grow to 7ft tall, but how many 7ft people have you seen in your life? We still dont know how this is all going to pan out, its far too early, but taking small snippets of info, and turning them into absolute facts that apply to everyone, is not the answer!

Sorry, my comment was more of a rhetorical question directed more at those who seem to take every snipped of info as bad news. My point was, if only 5% of cases are recorded, then thats excellent news, because that would put the mortality rate through the floor. If its a case that 28000 deaths have gone unrecorded, then obviously it would change things, but even in a densely populated area like that, I find it hard to believe that 28000 people could of died at home etc, and no one knows about it. SO, its either very good news, or China are hiding 28k deaths. Despite my opinions on the political systems of China, I cant imagine they would be able to hide so many deaths in this day and age.

So is this professor suggesting that China is hiding the extra 28000 deaths?