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4 hours ago, markyo said:
One month is not a Winter
As one Month is not a Summer
The winter of 2010-11 was below average in terms of temperature, despite a mild February. If you define a UK winter as having all three months having significant snow, then yes, the UK doesn't have winter very often, but I think that is a ridiculous benchmark. The UK is not Scandinavia and doesn't receive widespread lasting snow very frequently as a rule. Temperate and oceanic defines the climate, in winter snow that falls mostly thaws in a couple of days except at altitude.
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5 hours ago, markyo said:
2009 to 2020 the 11 years without a Winter
You have forgotten about 2010, the coldest December for 100 years. March 2013, the coldest for 50 years
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5 hours ago, Leo97t said:
Yes the last 2 weeks have been poor, but there was heatwave before that. April and May were the sunniest on record and May was the 3rd warmest on record in the south. I think you need a reality check. We are overdue some poor weather
The heatwave lasted no more than three days and we had plenty of poor weather in autumn and winter last year, culminating in the wettest February on record and destructive flooding in several places. I would say the spring we had was adequate compensation for this (perhaps overcompensation).
Even last June, which was the end of the persistent warm dry locked in weather pattern, I was backpacking in the Scottish highlands over the first two weeks, and the only sunny day I got was the day I was leaving. The good old UK summer killer, the stalled low. Force 7-8 crosswinds on the Ullapool-Stornoway ferry were great fun as well.
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Maybe if we continue with a poor July, we might get compensation with a warm sunny August. Good Augusts have been rare over the last couple of decades, and it seems to often happen that if June and July are decent, August is a let down (e.g last year, bank holiday weekend excepted). It is very rare to have all three months of a season deviating significantly in the same direction from average.
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32 minutes ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:
With the exception of a few days here and there, I have a feeling this is going to be the main theme for the rest of the summer seeing as weather blockages seem to be coming more and more common nowadays. And going by past experiences, dry and sunny springs quite frequently lead to poor summers for some reason. Whilst I admit that I did get bored of the dry and sunny weather we had during the spring, I certainly do not want a poor summer either. Why can't we just have more changeable weather? That is part of the beauty of our climate, and also keeps things interesting.
I've had a look at the correlation between April rainfall and the following summer rainfall, and there is nothing significant. There might be a couple of years where an inverse correlation was present but it doesn't hold up over the last 50 or so years at least.
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So far July has been notable for extremely dull days. It is ridiculous to need lighting on at solar noon in summer. Fortunately in my location the dull days have been interspersed with sunny days, except for the last two days of back to back clagfests. The dullness really makes it feel like autumn, as it feels like twilight has arrived an hour and a half before sunset.
The gem squash in my greenhouse doesn't know whose climate it is experiencing. It went rampant in April and May, and I had problems with the greenhouse overheating (well over 40C on some days before I applied shading paint). June arrives and it is as if we swapped spring and summer around, the gem squash threw out loads of flowers but only this last week have actually produced any squash. It is as if they slammed the brakes on development as soon as we got into the meteorological summer.
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4 hours ago, I remember Atlantic 252 said:
Sucks though, sunny spells 16-19 degrees, would sound great if it was early March
Well, yes, that would be well above average in early March. Early March is still effectively winter, plant life doesn't wake up properly until near the end of the month and when the soil temperature starts to warm up.
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5 hours ago, Sunny76 said:
June may have been warmer than average, but it was on the poor side. Only 7 hot and sunny days, while the rest was mostly cloudy and unsettled.
There was a fair bit of spatial variation. It was a very wet month in the SW, but the SE counties had near average sunshine and rainfall. Hot and sunny days have always been short lived in summer, the UK is not the Mediterranean, despite the spring we've just had.
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9 hours ago, weatherguru14 said:
I think its pretty evident that once the Atlantic attacks up and the jet is angled in such a position.. That it takes a lot to shift it.As for writing off seasonal forecast. YOU CANT DO A SEASON FORECAST IN THE UK.so there is no need to protect it?
Yes you can. It might not have much, if any skill, but you can do one if you can find a predictor or two. There have been several attempts at seasonal forecasts for the winter NAO and UK winter.
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24 minutes ago, Nick L said:
If we end up having an average month in terms of temperature and sunshine amounts (not saying that will happen) and it doesn't feel like it was, perhaps it's expectations that need altering?
You have to be careful looking at monthly averages, because they tell you nothing about the internal variability within the month. A summer month that is dry for 29 days in one location then gets a severe thunderstorm on the last day dropping four inches of rain will look like a wet month in the stats, when really it isn't, whereas a month with frequent warm sector clag and drizzle and 40% less sunshine than normal, but an absence of moderate to heavy rain might end up drier than average, but it would be a poor summer month in most peoples eyes.
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43 minutes ago, Wimbledon88 said:
Im quite enjoying this cool damp weather. Nice and refreshing. It cant be sunny and hot all the time. This is the Uk, not the Mediterranean. It ll end up being a fairly average summer down here in the SE. Miserable from the Midlands northwards though.
I can relate to this. I don't like persistent clag in summer but I much prefer 20C to the 32C nonsense we had at the end of June. It is just so much easier to do stuff outside and sleep comfortably at night.
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12 hours ago, weatherguru14 said:
This is the worse start to a July I can ever remember..And remember how nearly all the forecasts models at the start of summer predicted a warmer and drier summer over all? how utterly wrong are they? serious nonsense. Even the Met office is struggling to pin down next midweeks weather..having watched their 10 day trend.
June was warmer than average, although wetter. We are not even half way through summer yet so best to reserve judgement of the seasonal forecasts until after the season has finished.
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15 hours ago, DAVID SNOW said:
Spot on Dan!
Several 1000 word posts don't change the facts, its been poor and the models called it.
Lets hope things improve 2nd half of July, TBH I think it will get better, cant get much worse?
Yes it can get much worse, remember July 2007?
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June was about average or slightly above in the south and east, Duller than average in the SW and NW England, west Wales, N Ireland and most of Scotland (again).
UK actual and anomaly maps
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3 hours ago, Leo97t said:
Yeah it hasn't actually been that wet at all but everyday has been damp and grey and depressing. May still go down as a below average rainfall month though in the SE
This is what is annoying for me. I could do with a good dose of rain for my allotment, but instead we get this change in the weather (expected at some point), that brings cloudy, cool and unsettled weather, but the rainfall amounts have been pitiful. It just evaporates within an hour of falling. If we are going to get November weather, might as well have November rain as well, but this cuirrent can't-be-bothered-to-drop-more-than-half-a-millimeter-at-a-time weather, and me having to manually cart around 100 litres of water to keep my crops alive is just another UK Swearing AGAIN-take, on top of some of the best Spring weather in living memory in a virtually unheard of period when no-one is allowed to make the most of it.
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12 hours ago, B87 said:
2010 wasn't too bad, but August ruined it after a warm, sunny June and a hot but cloudy July.
1996 was a fairly average summer, though June was sunny. Nothing bad about it but it wasn't particularly great either, a bit like 2005.
2000 was a dreadful summer, with only August resembling a normal summer month.
1996 an average summer? Not in Salford it wasn't. It was overshadowed by the spectacular summer the previous year but it was warm and dry from my memory, particularly August. It is ranked 29th driest out of 254 in the HadUKP data and about 100th out of 361 for temperature, so above average in terms of goodness of summer.
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9 hours ago, 38.7°C said:
UK weather forecast: Long-range charts turn bright RED as blistering heatwave returns | Weather | News | Express.co.uk
WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UKBRITONS are set to bask in another heatwave as temperatures come roaring back following a slightly autumnal start to June, according to the latest weather charts.
"Long Range" or FI we like to call it.
Daily Express, so likely the most extreme forecast they could find.
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4 hours ago, Sunny76 said:
It won’t be cooler than April. April didn’t really get hot, but just felt warm at times. It was sunny and warmish with cool mornings and evenings, and cold in the shade type days.
I don’t think we’ve really had any uncomfortable nights for sleeping so far this year.
Maybe not for you, but it has for me, not as bad as a muggy night in high summer, but just warm enough that I struggled to sleep several times. There were some nights where it didn't drop below mid teens outside, which means my house stays at 23C most of the night, probably a bit higher in the bedroom as my central heating thermostat which shows the indoor temperature is downstairs. Opening the windows means I struggle to get to sleep because of noisy bastards.
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4 hours ago, Sunny76 said:
I didn’t say that lol. I’m trying to put across the fact, we endure some kind of cool damp weather in the October to March bracket. It was chilly at times, despite being a very mild winter.
So, why do I have to justify wanting warm sunny dry weather from April to September.
Ok sorry, I thought you were having unrealistic expectations of the weather in the dark months, but you are saying that you appreciate warmth and sunshine because we have to deal with the autumn and winter grot. I certainly don't expect you to justify that, as I feel the same. Sometimes Spring feels like a tease season, when it gets to April, I hope for it to become warm enough to go outside without a jacket, but it seems to stay in the low double digits during the day for seemingly a long time, and I wonder if it is ever going to warm up. It nearly always does by the end of the month and into May. The lag in the minimun of sea temperature to the incoming solar radiation means Spring temperatures can be held back if we get a lot of polar or returning polar maritime airmasses. 1996 was a year where it seemed to take forever to warm up, it was chilly right through to at least mid May thanks to a wretched blocking Scandi high and persistent NEly winds.
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Already had thunderstorms in Horsham, one Saturday morning/early afternoon in mid May. The only significant rain to fall in the entire month.
I can appreciate a good electrical storm, but preferably not overnight. I don't appreciate being kept awake until 3am when I have to get up for work.
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1 hour ago, Sunny76 said:
I think it’s time for the heat lovers to enjoy more sunshine and warmth. We had too much damp and cool weather in the September to mid March period.
Too much damp I agree with but too much cool? What do you expect in the UK in autumn and winter? We can't have 20C in February every year.
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Looks like another week of below average daytime temperatures for Horsham coming up, but still little in the way of useful rain. At this rate, June is going to be cooler than May and April. Has southern England borrowed an arid climate from the southern hemisphere? I'm finding it tough growing UK veg in these conditions. I do find the cooler nights better for sleeping, which is one plus.
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Not a drop of rain in Horsham, and the Met Office have cancelled the wet evening that had been forecast the last two days, so another evening of dumping 200 litres of water on my allotment.
No significant rain forecast for the next week, just a load of cool cloudy,dry, and completely useless weather. It is hard to cultivate UK crops in an arid climate.
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On 25/05/2020 at 21:01, damianslaw said:
Yes, what's the betting the August Bank Holiday will be the odd one out, when the lockdown has been lifted.
Classic UK p**s-take weather. Yes the August bank holiday will be awful, because I have booked a scrambling course in Snowdonia over that weekend, and given I picked the worst two week period last year to go backpacking in Scotland, the late 90's/2000's trend of crap weather whenever I want to hike up a UK mountain may have returned.
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There was certainly plenty of snow in Salford. A good eight inches in the back garden of my parent's house.