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..ummm - he only predicted that some organism (not yet discovered) would occupy an environmental niche, not that a new one would evolve to fill it... Cheers, 7&Y

I don't normally put my toe into these murky waters, but I'm not sure these two (or four!) points are good ones to make, whichever side you are on!! We can surmise evolution, and see its effects over previous time. We cannot predict evolution. We can also surmise previous Climate Changes, and see the effects of previous Climate Changes, but our current predictions of Change Change are just that - predictions with no certainty in the outcome. We can be fairly confident that March will be warmer than February, because we've seen it before - we have experience of it. Climate Change no-one (alive!) has experienced (ie a previous episode)... So I'm not too sure what your analogies are trying to say Cheers, 7&Y

Snowing heavily here in Churchdown, Glos. After a day's steady rain, I don't hold out much hope of a covering... 7&Y

There was an interesting point made on the TV about how stocks of salt/grit should be a strategic resource, rather than each Authority keeping its own. At least if one area isn't having snow, the supplies can be used where it's needed. Maybe the same could be done with equipment to deal with the snow like ploughs and diggers. Could lead to a National Snow Task Force run by the Government - um, then again, perhaps not 7&Y

The Severn Vale Snowshield has stopped working AGAIN!! Whoever is borrowing the battery please replace it. We've got another 3" of snow in again, and it's now falling very heavily. We're just not used to it!! 7&Y

A quick question, if I may. We're talking here of a SW event that has yet to impact on the Troposphere, I take it? If that's the case, and there is as yet no impact, and the forecast models do not utilise Stratospheric data, why are people saying that they can see these impacts out in FI. If it's not yet appearing as data in the models, then surely no model output can be ascribed to it. And once the effects filter down (pun intended ) into the models, surely the effects will appear in a timeframe closer than FI, and FI will change markedly in response. Confused :blush: 7&Y PS I like to think that FI really means Forecast Inconclusive!!

Right, would whoever removed the battery from the Severn Vale Showshield please replace it. You've let 75mm of snow in and it's still falling! :o 7&Y

Well, that's jinxed it - Gloucester only got an inch of rapidly melting slush off that! 7&Y

...and I would be surprised if Gloucester got any! The Severn Vale Snowshield is powered up and working!! 7&Y

...rain... 7&Y

My reading of the second fax chart is that the 528 dam has moved out of the uk and into the Atlantic. It also doesn't follow on along the South coast, but veers off the SW approaches and across towards N France, then back into the Atlantic, with that Atlantic being under it. We are between the 528 and 564 dam lines... 7&Y

I think your thermometer must be 'race tuned'!!! Out here in the sticks in Churchdown, my thermometers recorded lows of just -1.7 & -1.6 Unless there are 'frost hollows' in Gloucester I don't know about... Cheers, 7&Y

...<sigh>... Sorry, Iceberg. Dev claimed he wasn't being controlled. I suggested there were ways in which he was...nothing to do with AGW/GW per se, just putting up a suggestion that all is not necessarily as it would appear from 'freedom' point of view... 7&Y Thanks for your views, Dev, but I'll stop here as I'm in danger of going off topic...unless I can swing a political/AGW/GW angle Cheers, 7&Y

Yes, this was me... I was just making the point that the relationship between CO2 and temperature was not a Square law as was being suggested. After all, if all the CO2 were removed, I don't think this discussion would be relevant...for us, anyway 7&Y

ahh.. - no, Dev, what I sought to say is that though we don't like the idea of being controlled, most of the time we have to be, for the very reason you give. But, after all, it was you who claimed to be not controlled. What you cite here is where control and desire go in the same direction, so there is no conflict, and you don't feel 'controlled'. Believe me, I know people who do think just that - they can't be bothered, and do 'heave' whatever they want into their bin! 7&Y

...but you do have to pay the 'green taxes', pay the 'Congestion Charge' in London (and soon other major cities). In some places, what you put in what bin is heavily controlled, to the point of being fined by the Local Authority. Indeed, there have been a number of court cases over this very issue... I could go on, but I think you get the idea... I think the point being made is that we seldom have a choice as to whether we are controlled or not, and it's sometimes ever so subtle... 7&Y

Ahem, I'm sorry, but this assertion doesn't work. Extrapolating backwards, you're saying that with no CO2, we should only be a few degrees cooler? I think not. We would freeze to death!! As has been said, the correlation between CO2 and Temperature is not linear, nor a square law (as you claim), but something more like modified logarithmic, so your claim that every doubling of CO2 will create an extra degree of temperature rise doesn't hold, I'm afraid Cheers, 7&Y

Have reported this guy for multiple postings...

Tell me - how many Kentimetres does it have to be before we call it a snowdrift? Cheers, 7&Y

I'd like to propose the BLAST. This would define a forecast of fabulous snow and cold weather just outside the reliable timeframe. You would use it thus - The models are having a BLAST tonight - or - when is that BLASTed snow going to arrive... 7&Y

Ahh, I see your mistake. You have to look to the metaphysical to answer this one, in that the snow was too preoccupied (deep) in Meditation to move the cars on its own, and the people would have to do it for themselves, or they would remain stuck. Blimey, can't some people see the bleedin' obvious? :blush: 7&Y PS How about OONs of optimism??

Last time I looked, the Vale of Evesham was flat and wide - that's why it's called a Vale and not a Valley!! If Pershore is in a frost hollow, then so are places like York, Gloucester, London, Peterborough, Newport (Wales) etc etc - they're all in wide flat river valleys... :winky: 7&Y

Churchdown, Glos. 2-3 cm of snow. Started 3 am, stopped 7.30 am Current temp 0.4C rising slowly. Light Northerly winds. Cheers, 7&Y

Churchdown, Gloucestershire: Averages\Extremes for the month of December 2008 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Average temperature = 3.6 °C Average humidity = 85 % Average dewpoint = 1.3 °C Average barometer = 1013.6 hPa Average windspeed = 1.4 mph Average gustspeed = 2.8 mph Average direction = 237 ° (WSW) Rainfall for month = 37.4 mm Rainfall for year = 766.6 mm Maximum rain per minute = 0.5 mm on day 13 at time 05:05 Maximum temperature = 12.9 °C on day 20 at time 12:54 Minimum temperature = -5.0 °C on day 31 at time 00:44 Maximum humidity = 91 % on day 22 at time 09:44 Minimum humidity = 72 % on day 26 at time 14:06 Maximum pressure = 1034.1 mb on day 26 at time 23:27 Minimum pressure = 972.2 mb on day 04 at time 06:47 Maximum windspeed = 17.3 mph from 113 °(ESE) on day 13 at time 01:27 Maximum gust speed = 27.6 mph from 113 °(ESE) on day 13 at time 01:27 Maximum heat index = 12.9 °C on day 20 at time 12:54 Frost days= 16 Ice days= 1 ----------------------------------- Daily rain totals ----------------------------------- 02.0 mm on day 2 06.1 mm on day 4 00.5 mm on day 7 03.6 mm on day 8 00.5 mm on day 10 03.1 mm on day 12 19.1 mm on day 13 00.5 mm on day 14 01.0 mm on day 16 01.0 mm on day 18

My Weather Station down here in Gloucestershire is currently showing 4.2C. With the frecasted temps to remain below 3-4deg C for the next few days, sub 4.0C might just be possible. 7&Y