Summer8906
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LetItSnow! So thinking of women getting the vote perhaps, which would suggest sometime in the 1920s? (I'm not looking it up, as that will make it perhaps too easy).
The car industry would also suggest early 20th century.
Years with warm Junes include 1921 (year as a whole doesn't fit) and 1925 (exceedingly dry and sunny June). But neither fits, I think I'm probably barking up the wrong tree...
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LetItSnow! Struggling with this one, even with the Southampton records to help.
Is it 20th century? I don't think it's one I remember personally.
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3 hours ago, Weather Enthusiast91 said:
It is 1938!
I was thinking 2007 for the first few months, before it diverged. Certainly the first 7 months or so of the year sound not unlike 2007.
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B87 Not sure. Sounds a bit like 2015 but not the Nov and Dec.
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A bit late on this, but: what caused those unexpected showers on Sunday evening?
The core daytime hours had been fine and sunny, convection started building up a little around 4pm but clouds only became more significant from around 6.30pm.
Seems a very odd time for showers to kick off; this is normally a time of day when convective activity dies down. Was there a trough moving across?
Very reminiscent of a similar occasion synoptically on June 10 1992 which had also been fine and sunny by day before significant thundery activity developed to the east in the early evening. I actually attempted a storm-chase (with a friend) on that occasion, travelling perhaps 15 miles to the northeast to attempt to intercept them - though the storms died by the time we got there.
That occasion definitely seemed more like a trough as I seem to remember the storms being organised, in a line.
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The "breakdown" arriving a day earlier than I was expecting from the Netweather forecast, though easy to see why from the pressure distribution. No rain yet but rapidly becoming darker and gloomier which suggests it might not be long.
Thankfully probably not too bad for the rest of the week by the looks of things though, with today probably being the worst day. Weekend could be fine on latest GFS, let's hope so.
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B87 Quite possibly yes. Not so sure about July 2018 though as several days had quite significant cloud build up. I'd estimate around 250; I remember thinking the month was sunny but not in a really spectacular, record-breaking way.
1976, followed by 1989, are likely still the ones to beat in this area.
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B87 Thanks for those.
Reveals some quite unknown sunny months and sunny seasons from back in the day. Never knew the extended summer of 1895 was so sunny, for example (even though July was a bit dull). It also confirms 1908 (see above) as a sunny summer. Generally I see 200 hours as my threshold for "acceptably sunny" in a summer month.
June 1975 is the sunniest month in recent years, it appears, followed by May 1989, August 1976, June 1957, and July 1949, all belonging to the "300 club". Other spectacularly sunny months with >=275 months include June 1949, June 1951, July 1955, July 1959, June 1969, July 1976, July 1983, July 1989, May 1990, July 1990 and May 1992.
Special mention to September 1959 which looks spectacularly sunny for the time of year at 246.5 hours. Just two other post-war Septembers to 1992 managed to even exceed 200.
The only years to fail to reach 200 hours sunshine in any month of the year from 1945-92 were 1958, 1965 and 1968. (1987 made it in May and July). I wonder if any recent years have matched that "feat"?
Summer 1947 looks only "OK" for sunshine, notable for having lower sunshine totals than any of the other famous summers since the war.
Sunshine records only go up to 1992.
A surprising statistic is how sunny June 1982 was with 223.7 hours; this is mostly known generally as a very dull and extremely wet month. I actually spent 2 months of this month up in Scotland (was living in Sussex at the time) but it's interesting how sunny it was in Southampton. The sunniest month of the year; somewhat wet but not spectacularly so.
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B87 Where are these Southampton statistics, incidentally?
It suggests June was a bit dodgy, July very good and August good-ish (Aug 2013-style, perhaps). June certainly didn't look very warm!
Overall perhaps a 2013-style summer in the area, looks better than 2019 certainly. I doubt any of the months in 2019 got close to 279 hours of sunshine, and I suspect only July may have exceeded 200 hours.
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LetItSnow! Quite a distinctive year with the mild Jan, cold spring, goodish summer, warm autumn but cold Nov and Dec.
There does seem to be quite a strong similarity between 1969 and 1996 - not in every month, but more than most pairs of years.
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23 hours ago, CryoraptorA303 said:
The September records of more southern Ohio are 41°C, so it's not entirely implausible that an unusually extreme heatwave could see 41°C in northern Ohio and WV. I doubt Wick, Ohio is going to get to 41°C even in August but the more inland surroundings could, and I'd be surprised if Wick, WV's current September record is much lower than 41°C.
Interesting; I made my comment because that part of the USA is AFAIK known for humid, maritime heat from the Gulf of Mexico, plus the sun is getting lower in September in any case. I'd have expected 40C+ to be rare in any part of the eastern USA even in high summer due to southerlies having a maritime source which moderates the temps (but hugely increases the humidity).
I've spent time in northern Greece in September several years and the highest it ever got in Sep was around 32-33C, but more generally it was below 30.
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13 minutes ago, B87 said:
April 1987 saw 153 hours of sun, duller than April 2023!
Strange, as it stands out in my memory as a notably warm, sunny April. For warmth only 1984 had been comparable in my lifetime thus far, with 1980 and 1982 the only other 80s Aprils I perceived as comparable for sunshine.
Wondering about other years which lacked really sunny months since. I'm guessing May 1988, August 2000, April 2002, May and June 2008, and April 2021 made the grade for those particular years.
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10 minutes ago, B87 said:
1987 was just dull all the time, apart from in October
Dull as in uninteresting, I guess; Oct 1987 didn't seem particularly sunny but obviously it had plenty of "interest", shall we say. April had the most prominent sunny spell of the year with much of the month very warm and sunny following a dull start.
Then there was the historically cold and snowy Jan, the dry and coldish Feb, the cold northwesterly March, the changeable but often interesting May and the often pleasant, bright August. September was a bit non-descript but sunny towards the end and November often cold and frosty.
Not a bad year though June and the second half of July were dire.
10 minutes ago, B87 said:1988 was a disaster, apart from February and May
April was very "typical" for the time of year, June wasn't too bad and the autumn was pleasant on the whole, with November one of the best of my lifetime (frosty and sunny, as well as very dry).
Perhaps I'm showing positive bias towards 1986-88 due to the age I was (teenage) but to me they didn't seem too bad.
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Just now, B87 said:
June was the only good month in 1986. Jan-May were horrific, looking at the stats.
I enjoyed the very cold and snowy Feb, though recognise not all will agree.
Spring was rather poor, March was cloudy and non-descript becoming very windy and unsettled at the end. April was cold and dull and wet at times, and May uncommonly westerly for the season as well as being dull (it was such a non-descript month I barely remember it).
The first half of July was pretty good also. September was very good indeed: very settled and sunny, albeit with cold nights. Much of October was dry and settled before it turned unsettled just in time for half-term.
Nov and Dec were mild, dull and wet.
So some poor periods, but some good ones also, and Feb is a truly historic month. The coldest month of my lifetime and I guess it's going to hold that record now.
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38 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:
2007
I know what you mean but the March, April, August, September and October are enough to prevent it making the list.
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5 hours ago, B87 said:
1987, 1988, 2000, 2008, 2021 are the worst since I've been alive.
Narrowly missing out is 1986, one of the worst years of all.
I'd disagree with 1986 and 1987 as even though there was some iffy weather in the summer at times, the winters were very interesting, enough to disqualify either year from being in any list of "worst ever".
Summer 1986 was basically like a cooler version of Summer 2017, with the first half mostly warm, even very hot at times, and sunny, before it all went wrong from around July 21st onwards. Aside from the coolness it would fit in well into the last 10 years.
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3 hours ago, Harry233 said:
interesting about 2019 I thought it was a great year. I had my sunniest winter on record, a very dry January, the very cold spell end of January/beginning of February. The warm spell at the end of February, a very warm and sunny Easter, a warm but wet summer and a cold but pleasant autumn. I think the only thing that let 2019 down was a very wet first half of March and a cool and wet May. The year for me had a lot of decent weather and despite the rain in the summer it wasn’t a cool or dull one for me.
2019 is a good example of a year that started well and slowly became worse.
The first 5 months I would generally rate highly (except the first half of March) then July and the first half of September were also OK but from the autumn equinox onwards it was absolutely dire. 2019/20 still edges it as the worst combined autumn/winter season of my lifetime though July 23-April 24 is worse as a 10-month period.
31 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:
The 9 month stretch between Aug 23 to Apr 24 is the worst in my lifetime.Agree, but no July 23 in there? July was even worse than August.
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LetItSnow! Ah ok. The cool months threw me off a bit, so I thought of other years with a good June and poor July/August that haven't come up yet.
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B87 It sounds like 2019 except May wasn't dull, July was dry, August mostly unsettled and often cool, and December was very dull after the first few days.
However these are local conditions and may not reflect the country as a whole.
So I'll go with 2019 on balance of probability.
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It does sound very, very like 2023 except I think November was rather mild and July/Aug were slightly above average w.r.t CET, with the days cool but the nights very mild, enough to counteract the daytime coolness.
So I'm going to go with a curveball and say 1960.
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Was it 1952 which featured a southward-moving cold front which quite suddenly replaced warm easterlies with cold northerlies, with some very marked thundery activity along it (which may be the storms mentioned above)?
I remember reading about that when I was very much younger, back in the 1990s. I'm fairly sure it was 1952.
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Weather-history @LetItSnow! Yes, that's correct. I just used the MWR for this, which lacks certain information so apologies if I missed anything out.
I read up about 1908 a good number of years ago (5-10, I think) and thought it seemed an absolutely fascinating year. Very blocked by the looks of it, with good amounts of warm sunshine, snow, and thundery weather. Rarely boring.
In a very interesting coincidence, the snowfall in 1908 was at exactly the same time of year as 1981, and furthermore, both Aprils began with a Wednesday and both featured Easter falling on Sunday April 19th.
Just for fun: Guess the year
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LetItSnow! Third guess, 1930?
Some similarities in many months but not all.