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If we can’t get cold or wintery set ups please give me a Bartlett over a zonal westerly pattern.. It will keep the Atlantic at bay.reduce flooding risk more usable weather for outdoor stuff ,let things dry out and reduce heating bills.
I wonder if the PNW has its own version of a Bartlett high by the way. I’d guess it’d be the Nevada/California high.
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The U.K.s climate would be a fair bit better if it was moved 5 degrees south (assuming Eurasia also moved 5 degrees south too). London at 46N would have something like 12/6 in Jan,18/10 in April 27/18 in July and 20/13 in October and around 1900-2000 sunshine hours a year. Edinburgh at 50N would be something like 8/3 in Jan,15/7 in April 23/15 in July and 17/8 in October and around 1700 sunshine hours a year.
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Generally I like cold and snowy winters most of all although I can live with mild winters if its a Bartlett high type mildness rather than cyclonic SWles. Bartlett's are lovely especially in the latter half of winter it can bring early spring warmth and sunshine. Feb 2019 and 2023 come to mind here.
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11 minutes ago, kold weather said:
This is basically the textbook bartlett high, back in the early days of weather forums this was the example that almost always got brought up as to what a trye bartlett high is:
There isn't really alot of difference though between a Euro high and a Bartlett, other than a Bartlett often has the core of the upper high further west than a Euro high often does which tends to mean once they do setup, they have a habit of sticking around for 10-14 days and have a nasty habit of remerging.
Its this element that strikes fear into coldies. Its seen as literally wiping out weeks of prime time.
That is exactly what I had in mind when I thought of a Bartlett!. This also looks pretty Bartlett to me Feb 2023 seems a classical Bartlett month. (Not as warm though with less of a southerly feed)
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4 minutes ago, Sun Chaser said:
Isn't a Bartlett high mostly quite westerly. Would much prefer a Euro high with winds directly from the south that's mild and dry.
I seem to remember a Bartlett high sometime in the winter of 21/22 - either December or February neither of which were very pleasant.
But I do agree!! Mild and dry all the way.
I thought they were the same thing but with different names. What a Bartlett is exactly seems pretty vague but I see it as a high over Europe that covers most of Europe blocking anything from the north and west. Something like Feb 2023
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If it can’t be cold and snowy then give us a big Bartlett high. I know deathknell for wintert weather but at least it would keet Atlantic lows and wet westerlies at bay. (although Bartletts tend to come with a big area of LP over Iceland /Greenland so it can be still cold and wet for the northern U.K. if the high isn’t big enough)
Are Bartletts seen as the worse winter set up, they are better than Atlantic dominated weather. (Spring and summer Bartletts are a dream though)
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Haven’t had a fully sunny day here since early October. On days when it isn’t overcast it’s ether been an overcast morning/sunny afternoon or the inverse. Anyone who has lived through winter in an oceanic climate deserves a medal for bravery and toughness.
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Following OPs rules this would be my nightmare year
Jan 2014
Feb 2020
Mar 2023
April 2012
May 2021
June 2016 (would have used 2012 but April 2012 exists)
July 2015
August 2017
Sept 2022
Oct 2019
Nov= Blur to be honest
Dec= 2013
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The 4-6 weeks ether side of the winter solstice are truly an endurance test for me unless it’s cold and wintery or antyclonic and sunny.
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I have wondered what months would make a continental year. For me using mostly post 2010 months this would come out as a continental feeling year (Cold snowy winters, mixed shoulder seasons and hot summers but with some convective rainfall and storms thrown in too)
Jan 2018
Feb 2018
Mar 2013
Apr 2016
May 2017 or 2023
Jun 2017
Jul 2021
Aug 2004 is the closest
Sept 2015
Oct 2022
Nov 2010
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A nice day here but you wouldn't guess that to be the case looking at synpotics with a big fat low over the UK. I find that in the cooler months lows can often be sunnier than highs provided fronts aren't too close together giving a few days between rain fronts. Any kind of high apart from a southerly or south-easterly one can get pretty cloudy in the cooler months (Any Atlantic or North Sea feed into a high tends to become a cloud fest this time of year although northerly highs can be okay for my area) with the cloud getting trapped in the low while lows tend to have cloud moving at least.
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I have been wondering which years have had the most bogeyman months in it? Not to say that year was bad if it was mixed with some very good months so not asking worse years overall. I would say for me 2012 and even 2023 for some parts (October here hasn't been terrible, a little meh but not to the order of endless rain) but I know its been very bad some parts). 2012 had three bogeyman months with April,June and July.
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I really despise western European weather from mid October to mid Feb. I do indeed include Iberia as even Iberia isn't that great in Nov-Jan away from the far south for my tastes, Rome and Barcelona for example still get their fair share damp and claggy grot with weather similar to a southern UK October in winter although Oct and Feb would be a fair bit better.
The combo of short winter days due to being north of 40N, endless wet and gloomy westerlies and Atlantic lows means that Western Europe apart from high ground has miserable weather with temps in the 5-15 range and damp wet weather. New Zealand, western Norway and Northern California/the PNW have the same problems with winter climates but those three areas do have easier access to mountains for a snow fix. Someone from say northern France or southern England is a fair distance from the Scottish Highlands, the Pyrenees and the Alps for instance.-
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6.8c and 144mm. Feeling a cyclonic first half but settling down 2nd half. Lots of Wly and NWlys hence the slightly cooler guess.
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This October despite the wetness of the 2nd half isn't a bogeyman month for me (I know that this month will not be remembered fondly at all in Northern England and Scotland given flooding). The first half was lovely with a warm spell followed by a early cold blast and the 2nd half while less settled has never felt oppressively gloomy or wet considering its late October. A bogeyman October would be something like 2020. This October will likely get a 6/10 from me.
It seems that the rain has been more showers or fast moving fronts rather than those endless drizzly days you can get for my area. -
Northern blocking needs to go take a hike until winter! High pressure over Scandinavia is firing up the jet and trapping lows around Western Europe. Marxh and July were also poor months caused by northern blocking
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I already feel my semi-SAD state coming on (Never been officially diagnosed but this sort of weather gets me down but not to the extent I cant do stuff or function). I know I have talked about this a fair bit but the Oct-Feb climates that get my SAD triggers of short daylengths, gloom and rain, lack of real wintery weather such as snow but not mild/warm enough to do outdoor stuff comfortably are the UK, Ireland, northern France, Benelux, Southern New Zealand, Pacific Northwest (Esp Washington and BC), western Norway and western Alaska. Even the Med area to an extent is pretty meh in the winter you'd have to go to North Africa for a reliably warm, sunny and dry winter climate (January in Barcelona,Nice and Rome would feel like October in Southern Britain)
I would kill for a continental winter with reliable snow and it doesn't even have to be sunny ether. Lets say at least 20% possible sunshine. Id kill for a inland Scandinavian,western Russian,Hokkadio or Great Lakes type winter climate myself and none of them are that good for winter sunshine.-
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3 hours ago, Summer8906 said:
Perhaps more than any other season, now is when we look to much of the rest of the Western world with envy.
The Mediterranean, much of the USA, Australia and New Zealand, and even Central Europe are doubtless all very much warmer and sunnier than we are.
Even Denver at an altitude of more than 1500m is forecast 27 tomorrow and 28 on Friday. Only two days in the next week are below 20 there: next Tues and Wed.
One of the thing about continental climates that I like is the way summer persists for so long, followed by a quick switch to the continental winter, which is of course much better than ours.
We do have the PNW,coastal Alaska western Norway,Denmark ,northern France and Benelux to share wet gloomy and miserable autumn climates with at least in the western world and Northen hemisphere.
Denver is an interesting climate it’s impresssively warm all year for its latitude and elevation.
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I hope the wet spell forecast is brief, GFS and forecasts have a October 2020 vibe to them for the next week at least. I don't care about cloud as much this time of year as I do April-Sept I just ask for usable dry days.
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If I had to guess the "natural" climate for humans would be tropical highland climates. Something like Quito, Mexico City or Addis Ababa. Low-mid 20s all year and not too dry to boot.
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Really felt the cooling down earlier it suddenly went cold over a 2 hour span.. first time it’s felt like October and not some weird extended August Sweating in summer clothes last week was bizzare for Oct
Hoping for many more cold plunges to come! Warmth can take a temporary break until mid Feb make way for frost and crisp days.
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58 minutes ago, HafrenLMP1 said:
When I was a , Bonfire/Guy Fawkes was always a bigger deal than Hallowe'en....... Lots of organised displays, ' for the guy', etc
Now thanks to the US, we're bombarded all October with Hallowe'en tat.....
Ironically Halloween originated from a Celtic festival that was influenced by Christianity for hundreds of years brought over to America by British and Irish settlers then turned into a part of the capitalism year cycle like Christmas.
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If this forecast comes to pass this will be one of the most interesting and fun Octobers ever. A warm summer like spell then some Atlantic rain and drizzle then a cold plunge with November style temps.
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4 hours ago, IcySpicy said:
Now that the extended summer period (May-Sept) is over, I'll also give my thoughts on the season.
Here in Estonia we had many of the same weather patterns as in the UK (very dry and sunny June, followed by a dull July and then a pretty average August). For all 3 months together, I think we ended up with slightly above average mean and around average rain and (although the latter two were definitely held up by the sunny June...). May was also very sunny (although had some very cold nights) and was very warm.
But here the problem was also the timing of the worst weather. It turned unsettled on the 1st of July and that spell lasted until the second week of August. We had better luck than the UK with weekend weather, but still almost every single day in July it rained at some point. We also didn't reach 30C that moonth. Here all of July and the 15-20 days of August are peak holiday season.... and most of it was a write-off from the 15-16th of July, 5-6th of August and the week from the 12th to 19th of August. The only positive was that even the cooler days weren't that cold, it was mostly 18 - 22C and not like 15-16C. But often it was very cloudy and dull, so not really great weather for summer activities like swimming, camping, BBQs.
I think if June and July were reversed it wouldn't have felt like a bad summer, as the half of June often still has a spring-like feel to it and cooler temperatures are more tolerable. Another factor is the major fail from the long term forecasts, all were going for a warm and dry right until the pattern change. Blindly trusting those forecasts is not a great but June was going well up to that point and the blocked pattern seemed locked in, so I think we weren't expecting such a 180 turn and for those conditions to last as long as they did.
But looking back on it and taking May and September into account, I think it was overall a pretty decent summer season/warm half of the year. Not by any means, but we've had worse stinkers like 2012, 2015 and 2017. And even 2021 and 2022 weren't perfect here. 2021 for had a record breakingly hot June and July, but May, August and September were all colder than average. 2022 had all three summer months above average, but again, May and September were very cold. I think I still prefer a hot July over a very warm May or September, but it still sucks if those months are very cold and make the summer season feel very short
Ive had the same thought as you regarding June/July if they were swapped with a poor June followed by a outstanding July then a average August it'd be seen as a fair bit better. Say something like June 2012 or 2016 (Both very poor for the UK) followed by a July 2013/2018/2022 then this years August it'd be seen as a good summer overall. I would say overall it was a meh summer not terrible but not good 4.5/10 overall counting May and Sept both of which were good months here this year but 3/10 counting only Jun-Aug. Better than say 2007 or 2012
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Winter 2023/24 Chat and Discussion
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I wouldn’t see Dec 2015 as a Bartlett month it seemed more of a zonal southwesterly pattern (the very worse winter pattern in my opinion. Plus while your location isn’t far north I know they tend to come with a big LP over Iceland so the north can still get wet cyclonic westerlies (Esp Scotland)
Admittedly Bartletts can be pretty meh in Nov-mid Jan but in Feb they can bring early spring warmth and sunny setttled weather with southerlies from Iberia/France.