davehsug

I admit to still being a sceptic in all of this. There does appear to be warming but weather natural or not I don't know. What does concern me is that some people go on about the big oil firms & so on, lobbying against action, whilst forgetting that we now have something of an "industry" relying on AGW being correct. There are a large number of scientists & others whose livelihoods & whole "raison d'etre" is AGW. Some of them seem to compete to produce ever more extreme scenarios aided & abetted it has to be said by our sensationalist media. I find myself, after the latest report in the news saying "may, could, might". Actually it's rather like the model dicussion thread lookoing for snow Dave

If I'm correct this is also the storm that blew the roof off the Butler street stand at Stoke's old Victoria ground. The club, already broke, had to sell players to replace it. It ended the best period in the clubs history & we've never fully recovered since! dave

Spose this is an anti-ramp post, but judging from the mood tonight, I think SATSIGS may have done it's job a little too well :lol: Ramping is extremely confined. Bit sad really, taken all the fun away Dave

You see SF! Even though we take harmless pleasure at the ramping we miss it when it's not there! We need some FI action soon or SATSIGS will become a creature of myth & legend a sort of NW unicorn

From my experience (which sadly goes back to the 60's), most good easterlys tended to come from very mild situations & usually wet too. Looking back I always seem to remember fronts piling into the North sea & then being forced back westwards by a strong push of pressure from the east. Returning fronts were usually quite weak but sometimes had a bit of wintry stuff on them, especially for the East coast. Then you could feel the change in the air source & there was a different smell to the air. Ah well, getting on abit you know Dave

Science rules at the mo SF. Even the rampiest of rampers can't find anything to sod about it We desparately need at least a minor event in FI. Sad but true Dave

Well as long as we don't get bogged down with "real weather". Science & the like have no place here! Sleet can, & will happen at all temperatures & in all loc...sorry 1 location. Dave

it's really sad that people have been reduced, almost to having real discussions on the SATSIGS thread. This is the best thread on NW & I don't want it diluted by charts & the like! Surely there will be 1 FI sooner or later that could give rise to at least a couple of Telfords/carlisles? We need the SATSIGS thread! Without the remotest chance of Telford sleet it loses it's purpose Dave

Reading the model thread at the moment I'm afraid it's going to be rather crowded Dave

That's why I haven't posted but eventually you get to bursting point & have to say something I just need proof. I've noted that the emphasis now seems to be to prove that warming is largely natural & not man-made rather than the other way around & I don't understand why. It's the same sort of dumb question I ask about the ozone hole over the Antarctic. We didn't know it was there until we discovered it! The question I've always asked is, has it always been there to a greater or lesser extent? It seems a perfectly reasonable question, but when I've asked (not on NW I hasten to add) I get looked at as though I must be missing something Dave

What a sensible post Steve. You put the sort of point I am trying to make far more eloquently than I have. thank you Dave

Hello Paul. The figures speak for themselves warming is taking place at the moment. As to how much is man-made I really don't know. I was just making a, rather naive perhaps, point, that the world seems to have continuously warmed up & cooled down throughout its history. I assume that the climate is never stable & is always wobbling in one direction or another. What I don't uderstand is why there is so much certainty that the current warming is almost wholly attributable to man. The (it seems to me), wild claims & counter-claims only confuse the situation adding heat but very little light (sorry couldn't resist ). I am always suspicious of things I hear or see in TV news programmes, I think most of us will, on occasion, have seen stories about which we possess a little knowledge & been appalled by the half-truths & occasional downright lies that are told. I neither belive that GW is man-made or deny it, I'm just not convinced & when politicians become involved, with an eye to a bit more taxation for them I get worried. Dave

Just a thought here. Why when used in connestion to GW is sceptic a dirty word? I'm allowed, even encouraged to be sceptical about UFOs, religion, politicians, Stoke City winning the champions league within 3 years. Yet when I'm sceptical about the extent, cause & ultimate outcome of GW it's ok to call those of us who are not sure or unconvinced at any rate, GW deniers, almost tainting us to be as bad as holocaust deiners. The figures seem to prove that some warming is taking place at the moment, nothing that hasn't happened before of course, yet people are allowed to quote "facts" like "the world will warm by 5c by the end of the century", on national "news" broadcasts almost totally without challenge. Of course, it makes sense to reduce pollution of all kinds & we should be as kind to the environment as we can be, but there is a certain element around now who view people who don't share their views as little more than criminals. For the first time, the climate does appear to be warming at a time when man has the science to 1) know that it's happening & 2) try to explain why this MAY be happening. What would they have been saying had they been around when Greenland was warm enough to be settled all those years ago? Just a thought from someone who isn't a scientist, has no dogmatic views on the subject, but smells a rat (or at least a big mouse) in some of what I'm being told to be undeniable truth. Dave

I was saddened once again that the reports on the TV this morning asserted as a fact that this was caused by man & that plants which failed to adapt would die. Surely the fact that they were growing 2 weks earlier showed that they had adapted! dave

1. Jack Scott - this man taught me more about the weather as a child than could ever be possible today 2. Ian McCaskill - took such relish in the forecast, you knew he really loved the weather & wanted us to enjoy it as much as him. 3. Rob McElwee. The last of the old style met office forecasters. Loves the weather with a passion, would never ever say "at least it's mild". Loves to educate, inform & entertain. Dave

Thanks for the replies but I was thinking of a specific word to describe it. I know I heard it years ago but I'm getting on a bit now! Dave

Isn't there a name for this twilight, or at least the never quite complete darkness? I remember hearing it years ago but have forgotten. Anyone know it? Dave

Moderate snow showers recently, left a slushy covering. Won't be much fun in the morning if it freezes later Dave

Awful, awful day (2 days actually!). symptomatic of what can happen to us with a North westerley. Continuous showers streaming over the Chesire plain, just rain & more rain, whilst a few miles either side of us, dry & sunny. Doesn't help when you know that with slightly lower temps, we'd be under 2 feet of snow. Dave

The snow is actually settling on the main road outside, I'm a little concerned that due to the surprise (at least to the meto) nature of this, the road has not been gritted.

Now snowing heavily & settling immediately. cool

Just started to snow more heavily & the sky has now clouded over.

As Ian says started to snow very lightly in Stoke but still largely a blue sky.

Can't remember the exact date. I think it was either the 1st or 2nd Jan 1976. Very strong winds for this area Dave

Good morning. Just started here fairly light snow pellets, but it is lying. Dave