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Mmm looks like a canoe excusion to me. Certainly not the Arctic itself and nothing to do with proof. Note the lack of supporting data/information. Typical.

Steady snow here for last 10 min.

Heavy snow here and getting worse.

2.8 for me.

Oh how funny and true. see here Oops sorry, dont shout.

8.9 I punt

Yes there is

0.0 for me.

Quite so captain Bob. It is really easy to waffle lyrical to try and make a point.

I am not looking for conspiracy as you put it and it has not been corrected. Data sets have been deleted but no correction. This has to do with the path politicians take to shape, tax,change and make crucial decisions so we cannot afford to poo poo this issue. Your comment about 100% correctness is rubbish. This is straightforward and unacceptable incompetence.

I think it is totally justifiable to say that this state of affairs is totally unacceptable. To not query and double check an obviously suspect anomaly, especially when compared with the satellite numbers that had already been released is inexcusable. This of course raises the question with reference to all the rest of the GISS published data regarding anomalies over the years. I think that all raw data etc. needs to be made freely available for analysis and scrutiny so that an unbiased assessment of the situation can be conducted.

Not if you are relying on GISS Here

Lets cut the c!!!p and focus on whats actually happening shall we?

?Errm - its your own expectations your are questioning.

I thought that it was not possible to determine ice thickness by satellite. This is the point of that expedition planned for next year to physically measure ice thickness. I am not convinced by this article.

Dev if you doubt that the HS has been discredited go here and find out why, although I doubt you will bother to put in the effort.

This paper discredits the IPCC and Mann et al. without mincing words - take the time to read. LINK

"According to the Daily Mail today the North Pole becomes a Island for the first time in History (150,000yrs or more)" A spurious and quite frankly ridiculous statement. What happened in the recent past is unknown never mind 150 000 years and their statement is bluntly - a load of camel dung. It does their cause no favours among the thinking community.

Well here is an interesting turnaround here

Why? this subject needs debating and that is in fact the point of the forum. In my opinion Bluecon has a point when he says there is no proof because this is substantially true -there is no proof, only theory, hype and opinion presented as such. No one scientist has been able to point to any evidence and say " There is the undeniable fact or facts that settle the matter once and for all". The whole subject is still very much an uncharted sea and much work and research needs to be done before we can even begin to draw an accurate map. I also question the "majority of scientists believe" that keeps popping up. Do they really?

Yes you are absolutely right. Sorry GW.

You will excuse me saying so GW but that post of your is total crud. Are you really that that keen to see global disaster and mayhem that you actively look for any excuse or are you just trying to wind us all up. Yes of course the flipping ice is melting ---- its summer.

No sign of warming upto 1999 link

Biff there is so much huzzanga in your last post. Carefull to clean your shoes after you stepped in it.

Well closer to topic:- RSS data is out and March follows the trend, only just above the mean at .079. link