I was thinking just this. Just comparing the charts with November 2009 and they are similar. Let’s get the vortex into Northern Europe to create the cold pooling over the next fortnight. Then we can hope for some sort of easterly incursion late nov early December. The deep cold hung around Northern Europe for two weeks before anything hitting our shores early dec back in 2009 . Patience is needed. Right now all the foundations seem to be falling into place, hopefully this will continue