Andy_Calafell_Sheffield

I remember that day ! I was so annoyed ! ... but it happens. Its heavier now, like a snow fog of such. Hopefully I can catch you up tomorrow when the main band arrives

A dusting here lol its a start ! Currently fine snow falling, which will take a long time to accumulate.

Thankyou for your responses regarding convection potential

How long is the convection set to continue for? Is this around the peak or is it going to intensify still through the early hours of the morning?

Missed the heavier PPN again, just very fine light snow here. Oh well.

Again, bang in between two clusters of showers ... I think my prediciton of between 5-7 cm is going to end up drastically wrong by the morning !

Hi TEITS - Sorry to bug you as you must be vary busy all over the place ... however, how come their seems to be a gap between streams of showers in Yorkshire. I have been without ppn for approximately 5 hours and the latest group of ppn seems to show signs of this same split again too. Do you think this is set to continue as I thought I could be in a good position to see about 5cm here, at 200m. Thankyou for your time.

It was an excellent run and if we were to get anything close to that then the country would surely come to a standstill! ... I think I will use my new Net-Weather Extra membership to inspect the charts in further detail until the bulk of showers on the east coast makes inroads inland. Are the showers moving in a WSW direction? Hopefully this might ensure that there isn't a gap in the middle of two areas of showers once more !?

Been in the gap for about 4 hours now, with snow to everywhere around here ... and the next lump of showers out in the North Sea seem to look to go to far noth of Sheffield.

To which direction has the flow changed HA? WHat are the chances of some showers actually hitting Sheffield? ... and the more orgainsed band of ppn ou in the North Sea?

Thanks TEITS, your input here will be most gratefully appreciated Will the wind direction stay like this throughout the duration of the night or will they change slightly as currently I have streams of showers going north and south, leaving the small strip in between with nothing?

LOL seems to be streams of snow just slightly to the north and south of Sheffield, leaving me in no man's land. I hope these are not the tracks that all of the showers will take over the course of the night. Any thoughts on this?

This could be the time for us my friend !!! I'm at Intake, not far from the Manor Top. I'm approximately 200m asl so maybe that can cause that little bit of difference? It is back upto 2.5 Degrees Celcius now as a shower cloud has started to move in.

Yes PIT, this clear lull has allowed temps to drop to -2.7 oC in SE Sheffield. More showers do look to be on there way and packed closely together It is around midnight when a trough is meant to move through that could bring more significant accumulations to us rather than a sugar dusting? ... and obviously the organised band moving through Monday evening and night.

Light snow grains falling here in Sheffield. Temp is 0.7 oC.

The first snow grains. ... Make things more onimous lol There is no need to worry Hemlock, it will most definitely be snow when it arrives. The DP's by now will be well below freezing and in Lincoln, you will be in a good position to see the snow showers pile up from the early evening onwards. Enjoy my friend

Hi SWFC, I think the light snow flurries will arive here in Sheffield at about 4pm and the heavier showers will start to really move in around midnight. Although we are not the real East, I still think we could do pretty well out of this as the showers tend to stall over us due to the pennines to the west. Adding to that, we are rather a hilly city, especially areas in the west, such as Dore, but even some more urban areas, for example, I live up round the Manor Top which is about 200m (Eastbank Road tops out at about 215m asl too). Hopefully the main event will come Monday night for us from the organised band of PPN. We should have a little room for manouevre here as if the GFS predicts correctly then we should be ok, especially with our altitude but if the UKMO is correct then we are far enough East not to worry about missing the PPN altogether. If I were to stick my neck out, I would have to say we should recieve at at least 10cm between Sunday night and Tuesday morning I hope that helps!

A pop at a just below average 4.9 Degrees Celcius

Thankyou for the informative post CK.

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/MSUvsRSS.html * Minimal warming and look where we are at now.

To all of those who are adament that the temperatures at the surface are still warming considerably and are unreasonably high for the Earth, I ask you to think about the temperature of the lower layers of the amtosphere, the troposphere. I have seen numerous sets of data which show there has been minimal warming in the lower layers of the atmosphere and are dropping below the average of the last 50 years or so. I can provide these sets if you wish. As you know, the AGW theory predicts that the lower areas of the atmosphere should warm the fastest. So, if this is not happening then what is wrong? This could mean that there is a huge error in the theory itself, so you can throw as many statistics as you like to prove that the temperatures at the surface are warming, but that is all you are proving. You cannot prove a theory that is flawed and you are not showing that man are causing this at all. So to talk about how man should act to stop our wrongdoings and to swve the planet from our emissions, it is rather immature if you are basing this on a theory that contains a major flaw.

I know I do not share the same amount of knowledge as some of the people on this board but it still confuses me as to why people keep banging on about; 'Climate isn't linear etc.....' I am sure that everyone who posts understands this, it is well known. However, the Earth has not warmed in the last 10 years or so , and is now cooling slightly. I haven't got the time to name all of the different resources, but I have seen and read many articles talking about how extreme the temperature increases will be as easrly as 2020 and 2030. So, if the AGW supporters are talking of huge temperature increases in such a short period of time, then surely 10 years is a considerable percentage of this time. So to go on about climate not being linear, doesn't really matter when we are talking about the time scales that are being mentioned.

Devonian- I search the internet, viewing forums discussing Global Warming as I pass and reading media articles. I have reads numerous pro-GW articles and posts that make the argument, ' the recent leveling-out of global temperatures is most likely due to La Nina and its cooling effect'. Perhaps it may just be by chance, but I rarely read posts where it is acknowledged that a large portion of the warming trend during the 1990's was due to the strong El Nino. I will refer you to charts depicting the Lower-Troposphere temperature trends posted by Filski a page ago. Looking at these charts show that the average temperature has only been slightly above the values it was in 1985 and the levels have stabilized since about 2003. The only real stand out 'spike' of warming is due to ElNino around 1998. Yes, it was my mistake and 1601 was colder. From wikipedia (perhaps not the most accurate source?) : Beginning around 1850, the climate began warming and the Little Ice Age ended. Your guess is as good as mine.

I thought they were both of the same event, all data I have ever read suggests that the the 'Little Ice Age' ended after 1850, so that means they are the same event? I admit I have been inaccurate with my exact datings of this period, hiwever, you know that I am saying that 1850 was a one of the coldest periods in our recent climatic history so the only real way for temperature trends to change after that is by increasing, so in regards to that chart stating, warming after 1850 .... the majority of that is accounted for by our natural variation.

My apologies for misinterpreting your chart. =] I did make my point accurately, you simply read it wrong. I said 'the coldest point IN the last 1000 years or so', ie.Around 1850 was the coldest point in the time period between 1000 and 2008. I made no comment regarding the duration of the cold period. Furthermore, although there are some which suggest that around 1600 was coldest whereas others suggest around 1850. Regardless of which data is believed, 1850 was still a very cold point in our recent climatic history.