Solar Cycles

Data for the hockey stick has been lost, well what a surprise. The most controversial piece of scientific evidence known to man, now as important data missing. At least he has the balls to admit this, and the fact that the MWP might well have been warmer.

The way I see next week, is a mixture of rain, sleet, and snow, Mon and Tues. Thereafter a mixture of sunshine and wintry showers, or longer periods of rain/sleet at low levels, with snow above a 1000ft.

Well after viewing all the models for next week one thing is certain, and that is, there remains a lot of uncertainty as to where this low pressure will be! We could either see copious amounts of snow, or cold rain!

A media induced hype, isn't that a bit like what we have now, with all the scaremongering OTT stories.

Good point CB, also why did we have a cooling period in the 20's, 40's, and 60's? And please sss, enlighten me as to why it took years upon years , for man made emissions to show their hand, in the 1970s.

Well is not asking a, b, c, and d, just that? Maybe you should read the whole post, before jumping to conclusions, AGAIN!

That's all very well asking others to provide proof. but where is your proof, that CO2 is responsible for the warming now. And by that I don't mean projected temp rises, made by computer models. Both sides of the camp can only assume, so please less of the patronising lecture!

Agree, the further East you are the better it looks. Let's hope we don't end up in the mild sector, this could turn out to be either a NW snowfest, or a close but no cigar moment!

Define normal British weather? What we encountered in Dec/Jan, was also normal British weather ( in winter that is )!!

Indeed, let's hope the GFS is right on this one. Also more heavy snow to come the middle of next week, if the GFS is right!

Yeah, that was what I was trying to put across VP, thanks!

No problem Iceberg, VP explained it better than me up above!Just seen your post above! Thanks sss,, I'll read those links when I've more time.

<br /><br /><br />Oh dear I had high hopes next week, for us in the NW. Still maybe the GFS is the one to be right this time.

<br /><br /><br />It's something not fully understood sss, we have discussed the lag effect of low solar activity, again little is known about how long this takes effect. As to your point regarding oceans continuing to warm, again I think they act very much like radiators, when the source of heat is turned off, they remain warm for some considerable time thereafter! <br /><br /><br />Good post CB, it proves exactly what Tamara was trying to get across. Unfortunately some see their judgement clouded, by their own negative feedbacks!

Still looks to be relatively dry for much of the NW this week, there will be snow flurries here and there for some. Next week looking more tasty, if the models are to be trusted.

Guest Weblog By Leonard Ornstein On Ocean Heat Content « Climate Science Roger Pielke Sr..htmGuest Weblog By Leonard Ornstein On Ocean Heat Content « Climate Science Roger Pielke Sr..htm Let me know what you think Iceberg. Thanks Solar

Thanks for replying Iceberg, my take on it would be, that it takes far longer for the heat to disperse from the oceans. In effect just like when you switch a radiator off, it will be remain warm for some considerable time thereafter. I'll see if I can find a link for you Iceberg!

Personally I think we will have a cold start to spring, mid June to around late July, should see our best weather of the summer. Unfortunately all downhill thereafter, still it will be a huge improvement on the last two summers!

Sorry Iceberg can't get it to download. I've just found a recent follow up on the 5th Feb, by Bob Tisdale on Watts Up. If you don't mind reading it for yourself, I would be interested in hearing your comments on it! How many children have you? I have just the one, but she runs rings round me, and she's only 7!!

For some reason ( probably my inept understanding of trying to download files ), I can't get the whole of the file to download. It's a an article on Watts Up, I will try again, but don't hold your breath!! I give up, laptop about to take a vertical one way ticket to the bin!

Sorry I can't get the damn thing to download!

Like I stated in the other thread yesterday Iceberg! Heat is stored in the oceans!!!!!!!

Oceans store heat do they not, these are the radiators of mother Earth. Still lot's of heat to distribute from the oceans, when you turn a radiator off, it remains warm for some considerable time thereafter, the heat stored in the oceans works on exactly the same principles!

Actually Pingo's explanation is very good, this is exactly what as happened in the Arctic this winter. Off course we have had a moderate el-nino also, so combining those two elements, I can see why January has come out so high!

Is this more manipulated data, the NH in general has seen temps below average. So that leaves the SH, must have been some record breaking warmth then! Just seen Icebergs link, and it does seem to verify! Would like to see all the raw data for this.